Thread: David Bellamy: BBC shunned me for denying climate change

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

For example the British people turned to the Left in 1945 because the Conservatives didnt use the state enough to improve peoples lives.

Got any examples you can share?

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Establishment of the NHS, Nationalisation on a grand scale etc.

The Nationalisation has been reversed on a large scale thoug and the founding principles of the NHS have been weakened, is your example perhaps evidence of a temporary shift to the left?

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Establishment of the NHS, Nationalisation on a grand scale etc.

I think you might be right, when an economy is shot to bits and people don't have much hope fending for themselves.

The Germans looked left also, when their country was beaten down.

Personally I'm getting sick of this phoney left/right debate.

Who financed Hitler ?
Did Prescott Granddaddy Bush bankroll the Nazi's after WWII or not ?

The same secret and shadow governments have always controlled puppet governments, created wars, third world poverty and imperialism.

The power brokers and media create this illusion of democracy and choice and even the most libertarian individuals seem to fall for it hook line and sinker.

God we're in big trouble !

Originally Posted by Clippo

I've obviously hit YCHTT's - 'detonate and cover everyone with conspirashit ' - button.

No I've hit your 'can't answer the simple questions so go into "conspiracy" bashing mode' button.

As for covering everyone with **** - that's your role as I have repeatedely shown.

Originally Posted by Clippo

This thread is nothing more than a usual crazy attempt by YCHTT to create some sort of conspiracy charge against the BBC.

When I started the thread, I only posted the link to the article ?

I'm just putting information into the public domain - others can interpret it how they wish.

Actually I'm more interested in David Bellamy's observations about about MMGW and how the media lies to the public than pointing the finger at the BBC for sacking Bellamy - but that's another tactic they use - censorship.

Originally Posted by Clippo

Quite frankly I couldn't care a toss about your devious machinations to 'prove' Bellamy was the victim of some BBC or greater conspiracy.

By "devious machinations" I presume you mean me quoting what the newspaper articles actually said, as opposed to your inaccurate and misleading statements that you have not refuted and have been contradicted.

Originally Posted by Clippo

All I did was to link to other references in which Bellamy is quoted and in which he showed his memory may have been confused over historical events.

That isn't all you did.
You made a number of inaccurate statements(a number of them in red but there are several) which I debunked using the newspaper quotes and basic and demonstrable logic.

The fact you have chosen not to reply to the obvious contradictory statements you made when a 5 year old probably could figure it out, says it all......

Originally Posted by Clippo

I'm not making it up.

You're making up what these statements supposedly mean -
e.g's:
1) Regarding The Telegraph article in 2002 you've made at least one false statement.
You say "The logic is against his supposed Anti- AGWviews since it was only in 2004 he clearly says that" yet The Express article says he criticized global warming in 1996.
2) you say he Bellamy has "contradicted" himself but cannot show any clear contradiction

You can read Clippo so stop pretending a knowledgable scientist can't understand what I'm talking about......

Originally Posted by Clippo

I'm not a secret plant here by the BBC.

Shock horror !

Would suit you actually

Originally Posted by Clippo

He himself created this confusion.

As I said, it's the lying scumbag media (and yourself) who are creating the confusion and deception.
And for whatever reason, you're supporting the lies with your manipulative comments, exactly like you are doing with MMGW.

Originally Posted by Clippo

I don't know if he was sacked, dropped or left the BBC in either 1994 or 1996.

Using your logic, I could say you are losing your marbles.

Originally Posted by Clippo

However, I DO know is that the BBC, (and other broadcasting & media companies and probably all businesses), change their presenters/staff, often for no publicly declared reasons.

Yawn.
Try addressing the specific innacuracies I raised about your statements if you want to gain any credibility.

Originally Posted by Clippo

Another poster here wrote:-

"Around the turn of the century I knew a person living in the same area as David Bellamy who, without any particular political agenda, suggested that he was well known in the area for certain acts of behaviour. I'm reluctant to say more but can assure all that these acts were not sexual acts in any way and were far less newsworthy than they would be but newsworthy nevertheless. Perhaps there was an element of being cruel to be kind in the treatment of Bellamy by the broadcast media?"

Is there any truth in this? I don’t know: or really Care!!!

You're telling me if there was evidence of Bellamy performing "certian acts of behaviour" that you wouldn't jump on it in a flash to discredit his anti-MMGW stance ?

Do me a favour.

Well I'm interested to know because if provable it may add creedence to your flaky argument, but suprisingly you don't care.

Originally Posted by Clippo

In the eyes of many, David Bellamy is his own worst enemy.

You mean those people that read the media and believe the spin.

Originally Posted by Clippo

His attempts to use his scientific reputation to argue against AGW failed spectacularly because he didn't check up whether the main evidence he was using to support his arguments was correct. Which is pretty well a capital sin for a scientist.
As a result, his scientific reputation amongst the majority of his peers is in tatters and no attempt by him to somehow 'blame' the BBC for part of it will wash.

It is not difficult to see why George Monbiot is against Bellamy and supports MMGW:

wikipedia says:
"Monbiot's father, Raymond Geoffrey Monbiot, was the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party and Chairman of the National Convention.[1]
His mother, Rosalie, the elder daughter of Roger Gresham Cooke, M.P.[2] is a Conservative councillor who led South Oxford district council for a decade.[3]"

Suprise suprise !
If we read Monbiots "critique" of Bellamy, we see that he offers little hard evidence to deflect Bellamy's claims:

Monbiot.com » Junk Science

Monbiot plays the "conspiracy" card too often to be taken seriously as an unbiased scientist.

Interestingly he really attacks the "conspiracy theorists using his reference to Robert W. Felix, sorry Lyndon Larouche.

Monbiot paints a picture that Larouche has lost his marbles but let's take his points one at a time......

QUOTE:"21st Century Science and Technology? It sounds impressive, until you discover that it is published by Lyndon Larouche. Lyndon Larouche is the American demagogue who

a) in 1989 received a 15-year sentence for conspiracy, mail fraud and tax code violations.(8)

Setup ?
Most people don't even know that paying tax to the IRS is not actually a legal requirement.
Of course most people pay up becasue they don't want to be SWAT teamed.

b) He has claimed that the British royal family is running an international drugs syndicate,(9)

Yep the establishment and puppet governments of the world are totally corrupt.

Robert Steele CIA: High-Ranking Official Slams the Drug War

"Air America" - The Opium Wars: 1800s - 2007

c) that Henry Kissinger is a communist agent,(10)

Well he is trying to bring the world (including the west) under communism.
Communism is the political idea to bring the world under social control.
It doesn't mean he is working for the "ruskies" or the "commies".
It means that the international bankers created communism under Mao and are now bringing the Chinese model of communism (which encompasses one child policies, internet and media censorship, domestic youth-stazi spy brigades, and state brutality) into the west.

Henry Kissinger: The Making Of A War Criminal

Calling The Emperor's Bluff 911 Truth Our Best Hope

""Billionaire philanthropist George Soros compared the Bush administration to socialist and communist regimes Thursday while criticizing America's war on terror."

d) that the British government is controlled by Jewish bankers, (11)

Not sure about the "Jewish" bit but the elite bankers/establishment control the majority of all governments worldwide.

e) and that modern science is a conspiracy against human potential.(12)"

Actually I totally agree with Bellamy's quotes in The Express:

"I am a scientist and I have to follow the directions of science but when I see that the truth is being covered up I have to voice my opinions.

"The science has, quite simply, gone awry.
In fact, it’s not even science any more, it’s anti-science."

A lot like your tactics Clippo.
Larouche is basically correct.

Mondiot however is an fake establishment whore who is posing as a libertarian and environmentalist.

As Wikipedia says:
(whilst showing a picture of him wearing a "fight poverty" t-shirt):

"Monbiot's fifth book, The Age of Consent: A Manifesto for a New World Order, was published in 2003. The book is an attempt to set out a positive manifesto for change for the global justice movement. Monbiot criticises anarchism and Marxism, arguing that any possible solution to the world's inequalities must be rooted in a democratic parliamentary system. The four main changes to global governance which Monbiot argues for are a democratically-elected world parliament which would pass resolutions on international issues; a democratised United Nations General Assembly to replace the unelected UN Security Council; the proposed International Clearing Union which would automatically discharge trade deficits and prevent the accumulation of debt; and a fair trade organisation which would regulate world trade in a way that protects the economies of poorer countries."

So he is saying the answer to eliminating world poverty is more centralization of government and power, in fact "world governnance".

Wikipedia continues the fairytale.....

"Monbiot treads the path of a revolutionary, urging those who suffer the consequences of a global inequality predicated on developing world debt and subservience to utilise this debt and effectively hold the developed world to ransom. [[yeah right ]]
He posits that the United States and Western European states are heavily dependent on the existence of this debt, and that when faced with a choice between releasing the developing world from debt and the collapse of the global economy, their internal economic interests will dictate that they opt for the "soft landing" option."

So Monbiot is a "revolutionary" whose supposedly making the case for "a positive manifesto for change for the global justice movement." ?

A closer look at the Publisher "The New Press" of his New World Order book(as if we really need to....) tells us all we need to know.......

"The New Press is a not-for-profit, United States-based publishing house that operates in the public interest. It was established in 1990 as an alternative to large commercial publishers, and is supported financially by various foundations, groups and corporations including:

a) the Ford Foundation,

Amy Goodman, Dan Rather Feign Ignorance of Bilderberg

"The Ford Foundation directly funds the Bilderbergers, taking up where the CIA left off"

Bilderberg - SourceWatch

"The formation of the American wing of Bilderberg was entrusted to (Gen.) Eisenhower's psychological warfare co-ordinator, C.D. Jackson, and the funding for the first meeting, held at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Holland in 1954, was provided by the Central Intelligence Agency. Thereafter much of its funding came from the Ford Foundation... The subjects over which the annual meetings ranged were wide... but it is clear that the [1957] Treaty of Rome[link] was nurtured by discussions at Bilderberg the previous year."

b) the Rockefeller Foundation,

If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant”

"Obama has worked closely on this global taxation and world government scam under the cover of environmentalism with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Al Gore, and former communist leader Mikhail Gorbachev, an advocate of the so-called Earth Charter and the author of Manifesto for Earth. Brzezinski co-founded the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller in 1973. Rockefeller and fellow globalist Maurice Strong of Canada were instrumental in the creation of the Earth Charter. As noted above, the Sierra Club will play a decisive role in Obama’s administration. The organization takes money from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and is closely aligned with the United Nations Environmental Program. Strong was UNEP’s first executive director."

The Rockefeller Foundation is still haunted by its alleged involvement with MKULTRA, a secret mind-control experimentation program conducted by the United States government in the mid-20th century.

Macy’s T-shirts: Illuminati Mystery Religion in Your Face

"MKULTRA was activated on the order of CIA director Allen Dulles. As well, Gottlieb’s mind control work was conducted under the auspices of the Rockefeller Foundation."

Also see:
Rockefeller Admitted Elite Goal Of Microchipped Population

c) The Renco Group And
The Center for Justice and International Law."

No information sorry.

So whilst the wikipedia author is painting a picture of a "revolutionary" it is pretty clear Modiot's work is funded by the same corporations who want to push MMGW, micrichipping, and any number of governmenmental "black ops" aimed at the general public.

Furthermore Mondiot's publication,
"The Age of Consent: A Manifesto for a New World Order" where he makes the case for "world governance" is completely at odds with his supposed "revolutionary" label which (for most activists or revolutionaries) would normally mean a rejection of world government under a New World Order.

To those in the real liberty movement, it is simply laughable.

According to the Wikipedia author he seeks to gain public favour for his "world government" theory:

"He posits that the United States and Western European states are heavily dependent on the existence of this debt, and that when faced with a choice between releasing the developing world from debt and the collapse of the global economy, their internal economic interests will dictate that they opt for the "soft landing" option.

i.e. frighten the public into submitting to economic world domination by accepting the banker bailout importance of third world debt, or there will be a global economic collapse.....

Simple bullyboy tactics and a load of bull.

Ironically though, the wikipedia author states:

"Monbiot also thinks that economic recession can be a good thing for the planet"

Other shocking(though unsuprising) revelations include Mondiot's desire for "issuing every citizen with a 'personal carbon ration"
and "new building regulations with houses built to German passivhaus standards"

Doesn't sound much like a libertarian or "political activist" to me, more like a supporter of servitude and social control.

Of course, the red herring in the pack is this:

John Bolton escapes citizen's arrest at Hay Festival - Telegraph

"On 28 May 2008, Monbiot attempted to make a citizen's arrest of John R. Bolton(the American neo-con) at the Hay Festival of Literature & Arts in Hay-on-Wye. The attempt was unsuccessful, and Monbiot was ejected by security personnel."

A total stunt, to confirm the myth that it was "Bush" and the neo-cons who attacked Iraq, when in reality, the Democrats are the same package, with the same financial backers and same policies.

See my remarks in the comments section(at the bottom) under YCHTT, though due to mainstream censorship I doubt if it may be published at all.....

In conclusion, as the Obama articles states:

"It is a well documented fact the environmental movement receives huge disbursements from chartered institutions such as the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Turner Foundation, The Pew Charitable Trusts, the David and Lucille Packard Foundation, the Alfred W. Mellon Foundation, and others, including Bill and Melinda Gates, the Heinz family and the Carnegie Corporation.
It is no mistake foundation funded environmental groups are now calling for a global carbon tax structure and an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide, as this serves the plan of their masters well."

I know it's not everyone's read but this was highlighted on Sky this morning Eamonn Holmes and James Whale

Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Warning of a new Ice Age

"The stark warning was issued in the authoritative Nature magazine by Thomas Crowley of the University of Edinburgh’s School of Geosciences and Canadian colleague William Hyde."

I guess that's enough peer review for you know who