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London had its first snow since 1934, but unless you are a BBC reporter who likes to sensationalise everything and find new records everywhere, I really do not think that you can say that 10 minutes of snow in late October means that the planet is beginning to cool.Originally Posted by Jeff
Is that really what you meant?
oops - first snow in the month of October since 1934.
Was great to see our first snow today - since april this year - in the south of england at least. Particularly appropriate to coincide with half term week in certain places! Kids dont see enough of it IMO.
Snow is still lying here - but not enough to see it lasting beyond tomorrow morning.
One early snowstorm does not denote a global cooling! But its pretty clear, there is no serious warming trend this decade either. Certainly climate fluctuates, but to blame it on human activity, rather than natural events (particularly the sun's variation) is to make too many assumptions - most of them being guesswork (unscientific). I strongly believe human influence on climate in the "grand scale" of things is miniscule.
One thing to watch out for this winter - lack of electricity at times to heat your home if electricity is all you have (power cuts in times of high demand are far from remote, these days) . Let's hope the cold spells are not too long. Either that, or they switch off the street lights late at night out of town/on motorways, to ensure we can have our heating on in homes at night!
The Met Office: What a joke!
The first item on the page is not about the weather. Oh no, far too unimportant when one has taxpayer's money to spend on an agenda.
Met Office: Weather and climate change
A Nip in Nippon napped a nod and knew a new nomad
Near the nearside window of his Mitsubishi
Because you and they disagree does not make them nutters clearly rational debate is beyond you
Their are scientist their who may have had peer reviewed research and of course we have the Clippo motto "They've been debunked but we seldom get to see this evidence do weThe vast majority of those on the list have never published a peer-reviewed paper on Climate change or allied discipline, and for those who have, their work has been debunked.
Reading the COMPUTER SCIENTIST's blog for that is what it is there are comments that are pro and anti and many who are still looking at the evidenceFor a sceptic-bashers assessment of this letter see here:-
Deltoid: A picture is worth a thousand words
BTW Clippo I thought blogs especially those written by computer scientist and NOT peer reviewed should not be thought of as serious science or is it because you feel it supports your positions (which it clearly does not if you bother to read all of it) then it's ok how desperate are you and how stupid do you think people are ?
simple - Propaganda because it also helps the "left wing socialists" beat up big businessConsider also whether their ideas have any merit. For me the proof is in the pudding.
1. Did they have any impact on the consensus of opinion after Bali?– NO
2. Have they had any impact on global scientific consensus of AGW? – NO
3. Have they had any impact on global governmental attitudes to AGW? – NO
Etc.
If their ‘evidence’ is so convincing, why is/are :-
a. nearly every country in the world sending representatives to an AGW response conference in Copenhagen in January ?
b. Most US states actively pursuing massive plans to switch to alternative forms of energy.
c. all industrialised countries committed to the idea that mankind needs to reduce burning fossil fuels.
Again etc.
Cant be bothered sums you up doesn't itThat was a reasonable assumption initially but I’m not so sure now. For example, I see the name Dr Roy Spencer on the list, (& therefore by implication agreeing that that the earth hasn’t warmed since 1998). You may remember that you quoted this gentleman’s old work a few posts ago (Stratospheric cooling by satellite measurement I think ?) yet in the BBC documentary ‘Climate Wars’ this very same person admits on screen that his satellite work was flawed and the atmosphere is indeed warming.
I wonder how many more of them, (I can’t be bothered to check individually) in this letter are confusing global warming with their perverse views of anthropogenic global warming ????
What is perverse about their views about MMGW ?
No, one cannot debate with those who are blind can we ClippoI was only passing by but I see that jeff & Hartlepool are still confusing weather with Climate Change and g hall, BVL, Gimlet still avoiding reality.
One can’t debate with those who are truly blind – (those who will not see).
people like you who blindly believe and do not consider other evidence, who have one set of rules for their evidence which does not apply to evidence contrary to their view
Last edited by g hall; 29-10-2008 at 10:53 PM.
"That government is best which governs least."
"This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
"To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."
TANSTAAFL TANJ
G hall wrote:-
(sic)Their are scientist their who may have had peer reviewed research and of course we have the Clippo motto "They've been debunked but we seldom get to see this evidence do we
You’re one of their buddy buddy supporters, so you go find a peer-reviewed paper by any of them (on CC or GW) and I’ll find the debunk for you.
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Well, if you had bothered to explore this link, and many of the other scienceblogs you actually might have seen that some of your own heroes, Steve McIntyre for example, post in the discussion sections. (BTW, what field of expertise is McIntyre qualified in ??????Reading the COMPUTER SCIENTIST's blog for that is what it is …………………..other to read all of it) then it's ok how desperate are you and how stupid do you think people are ?
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By all means show me your ‘other evidence’ – evidence that withstands the scrutiny of science & logic.No, one cannot debate with those who are blind can we Clippo
people like you who blindly believe and do not consider other evidence, who have one set of rules for their evidence which does not apply to evidence contrary to their view
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So, since Dubya has now admitted AGW, he’s a ‘left wing socialists eh ?simple - Propaganda because it also helps the "left wing socialists" beat up big business
Your losing your touch g hall – one of the weakest posts I’ve seen here.
Besoeker wrote:-
&Quote:
Originally Posted by angelman
London had its first snow since 1934, .
Is that really what you meant?
Angelman replied:-
Strange !, I seem to remember something about 1934 in the back of mind but I just can’t put my finger on itoops - first snow in the month of October since 1934.
? something about 4 hundredths of a degree ?
? something about 1998 as well ?
? I think Steve McIntyre figures in it as well ?
G'ISS some help, - help me out somebody
Last edited by Clippo; 30-10-2008 at 09:14 AM.
With Religious believe fading, GW is the new Religion for the Political leaders of this Planet to frighten the Masses into being controlled by them!
G hall wrote:-
Firstly, I can’t be bothered because I simply don’t have the time and/or the inclination to expose your fallacies.Cant be bothered sums you up doesn't it
What is perverse about their views about MMGW ?
About the second line, well ‘perverse’ means
“strange and not what most people would expect or enjoy: “
or
“having the effect of being, or intended to be, the opposite of what is ordinarily expected or considered reasonable “
(Cambridge dictionary online)
It seems to me that ‘sceptics’ consider themselves a heroic little band, fighting the global commies or Bilderbergers and convinced that the science and political consensus of AGW are flawed. One day they hope they will be proved right.
However, you may want to read this very thought-provoking article (it’s only an ‘opinion’ but very interesting):-
Neuroskeptic: Galileo Strikes Again!
You may also want to think about this quote from Richard Feynmann :-
Have a nice day“Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.
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