Thread: Survey for Climate Change Sceptics

Anyone properly trained in computer science and who actually understands computer systems would not be a believer in AGW. All those "projections" are based on bogus computer modeling that suckers in computer illiterates who cannot comprehend what they are looking at.

Show me proof via the scientific method using empirical (not virtual) evidence only and I will start to take you seriously. Is there empirical evidence that the earth has warmed slightly since the Little Ice Age? Yes, is there empirical evidence the warming is caused by CO2 or man-made CO2? No.

You are correct as I am a subscriber to evolution based on the empirical scientific evidence. These sort of smears are typical of the true believers in AGW.

While some glaciers are melting, others are growing and those that have been melting have been doing so since the LIA.

Glaciers - Bolam Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - Briksdal Glacier, Norway's glaciers growing at record pace (Agence-France Presse)
Glaciers - Dôme du Goûter Glacier, Permanent Ice Fields Are Resisting Global Warming (Science Daily)
Glaciers - Fox Glacier has been advancing since 1985 (Alpine Guides)
Glaciers - Franz Josef Glacier, A Glacier Grows, Undeterred by Heated Kyoto Debate (CNSNews)
Glaciers - Guyot Glacier, Icy Bay Glaciers get up and go (SitNews)
Glaciers - Himalayan Glaciers Are Growing ... and Confounding Global Warming Alarmists (The Heartland Institute)
Glaciers - Hotlum Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - Hubbard Glacier, Alaska: Growing and Advancing in Spite of Global Climate Change (USGS)
Glaciers - Johns Hopkins Glacier is advancing and moving 3000 feet per year (Glacier Bay National Park)
Glaciers - Jostedalsbreen Glacier, Norway's glaciers growing at record pace (Agence-France Presse)
Glaciers - Kolka Glacier is growing again (NTV, Russia)
Glaciers - Konwakiton Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - McGinnis Glacier, Alaska Range Glacier Surges (Science Daily)
Glaciers - Meares Glacier, an advancing glacier tearing up trees and rocks in its path as it grows (Alaska Tours)
Glaciers - Mont Blanc Glacier, Global warming makes Mont Blanc grow (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Glaciers - Mount St. Helens Glacier, Glacier Grows in Mount St. Helens' Crater (FOX News)
Glaciers - Mud Creek Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - Nigardsbreen Glacier is growing by 25 to 50 meters per year (Jostedal Glacier National Park)
Glaciers - Perito Moreno Glacier, The largest glacier in Argentina Advances Continuously (Los Glaciares National Park)
Glaciers - Pio XI Glacier, The biggest glacier in South America keeps growing every year (Visit Chile)
Glaciers - Trinity Glaciers, Small Glaciers In Northern California Buck Global Warming Trend (Science Daily)
Glaciers - Tsaa Glacier, Icy Bay Glaciers get up and go (SitNews)
Glaciers - Watkins Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - Whitney Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - Wintun Glacier, Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (FOX News)
Glaciers - Yahtze Glacier, Icy Bay Glaciers get up and go (SitNews)

Others have to with things like Deforestation:

Kilimanjaro:
Deforestation behind loss of Mt Kili snow (IPP Media)
Kilimanjaro, On Africa’s Roof, Still Crowned With Snow (The New York Times)
Kilimanjaro, The Woes Of Kilimanjaro: Don't Blame Global Warming (Science Daily)
Kilimanjaro's ice set to linger (BBC)

The Arctic may currently show a reduced summer ice minimum but we have only had satellite coverage since the 1970s and thus cannot get an accurate long term picture. This also is used as propaganda since the ice grows back completely every winter:



Arctic:
Arctic Winter Ice 1979-2006 (Animation) (NASA)
Arctic Forecast: Nordic Sea Ice Expansion (World Climate Report)
Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered (The Register, UK)
Arctic Sea Ice Re-Freezing at Record Pace (The Daily Green)
Arctic Sea Ice Sees 'Significant Increase' in Size Following 'Extreme Cold' (CBC News)
Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage (DailyTech)
'No concrete global warming proof in polar region' (The Local, Sweden)

There is historic evidence that this is not unusual or cause for alarm:

Arctic Historic:
1922, The Arctic seems to be warming up (Monthly Weather Review)
Arctic Historical Data Cast Doubt on Climate Change Theory (CTV News)
Bones Of Crocodile-Like Beasts Tell Tale Of Arctic Warming Millions of Years Ago (Science Daily
Reports of Record Arctic Ice Melt Disgracefully Ignore History (NewsBusters)

There are natural causes for this as well:

Arctic Natural:
A Warmer Arctic? Blame Mother Nature (National Post, Canada)
Arctic Ocean Circulation Does An About-Face (Science Daily)
North Atlantic Warming Tied To Natural Variability (Science Daily)

Arctic Volcanic Activity:
Arctic Volcanoes Found Active at Unprecedented Depths (National Geographic)
Hydrothermal Vents Found in Arctic Ocean (National Geographic)
Hotbed of Volcanic Activity Found Beneath Arctic Ocean (National Geographic)
Scientists Find Northernmost Arctic Hydrothermal Field Venting Water at 570 Degrees F (Science Daily)
Under Icy Arctic Waters, A Fiery, Unexpected Find (The New York Times)

Arctic Winds:
Arctic Sea ice loss - "it’s the wind" says NASA (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist)
Scary Arctic Ice Loss? Blame the Wind (Science)
Winds of Change Thinned The Arctic Ice (New Scientist)
Winds, Ice Motion Root Cause Of Decline In Sea Ice, Not Warmer Temperatures (Science Daily)

What a ridiculous poll.

Not only can you not have more than 1 answer (maybe not your fault though you could have made them exclusive and independent of each other) but how on earth can you say:

Man made Climate Change and Global Warming is really happening but not because of us.

If it's not because of us, then by definition it is not "man made".

Also option 2:
"Is Man made Climate Change and Global Warming.... not really happening- it's all part of a natural cycle".

If "global warming" or "climate change" is "not really happening" then what exactly is part of a natural cycle ?

Something "not really happening" is part of a natural cycle ???

Rather then put in the option "The earth has never had a stable climate", you've given your own answer to the same question - i.e. "global warming/climate change"(i.e. the god) is part of a natural cycle." - a contradiction in terms.

This poll is a schoolboy trick to make people believe the phenomenon you're talking about does exist but there is a need to explain it's existence.

Whilst posting several answers you are trying to mislead people into believing there is really only one question -
i.e. "global warming/climate change" does exist but why..........

Get your basic poll definitions right first before you start spouting up your moralistic ideas about the supposed "science." which proves nothing.

By the way great post Poptech, excellent comments.

Climate Change (NOT Global Warming) has happened is happening and will continue to happen, what effect any species of the planet has on it is arguable I suspect some BUT a negligible amount compared to natural causes.

MMGW is a bandwagon which certain politicians see as a way of raising taxes and keeping the hoi poloi in their place - I know my place, arguing with the control freaks

Notice how so many greens have been involved with failed "left wing" policies and how PC they are - speaks volumes

What was it Johnny Rotten said "Never trust a hippy"

Originally Posted by g hall

Climate Change (NOT Global Warming) has happened is happening and will continue to happen, what effect any species of the planet has on it is arguable I suspect some BUT a negligible amount compared to natural causes.

MMGW is a bandwagon which certain politicians see as a way of raising taxes and keeping the hoi poloi in their place - I know my place, arguing with the control freaks

Notice how so many greens have been involved with failed "left wing" policies and how PC they are - speaks volumes

What was it Johnny Rotten said "Never trust a hippy"

This is essentially how government works - they get brigades of "do good" morons who know no better (or don't care) to support state sponsored enviromental groups to push a specific political agenda they are told to push for the "greater good" of society and mother earth.

A lot of these people either don't care, aren't aware of the dangerous personal consequences of getting involved in such deceit or just get some kind of elitist power trip spousing this rubbish.

I do believe there are possible some well meaning people (maybe like Akria ?) who simply believe it is true, because they are simply too trusting of every explanatation put forward from "official scientific" sources, that to an individual with the openness of mind to accept the information may be manipulated, can understand the basic view of logic, see the lack of common sense within the reporting of news in the media and deviousness within the political context, they really should not rely on their authenticity.

I also now think there is likely to be a lot of these individuals who realize they are less than pawns in a failed final mind control push against the public.

This is how we can explain why we see so many people willing to push "global warming" on here at the expense it seems of every other poiltical issue they should equally care about. But they seemingly don't.