Clippo

Am I the only Telegraph reader who has noticed Exxon’s big advertising campaign this week?
Looks long on promises but we’ll have to see what they actually deliver.

Unfortunately, the ads don’t appear on the Telegraph website so I can’t give you a link but they are supposedly on Exxon’s own site :-
how do we meet the world?s growing energy demand while minimizing its impact on the environment?

PS - by implication Exxon do accept that GW is real and the primary cause is due to the burning of fossil fuels.
So, you contrarians, perhaps it’s time to move the debate on to what can be done to minimize ‘doomsday’.

Millennium3

Yes - I was hit by the two page spread - that's some sized advert in the broadsheet Telegraph.

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Clippo

Millenium3 wrote:-
I agree. Yesterday's was only a single page but it must be costing an arm & a leg.

Pity they didn't spend this on re-planting some of the fast disappearing tropical rainforests.

C_steam

Can't agree that certain conclusion - what it looks like to me is that they accept the political direction (basically no choice) and agree that as a world, we are damaging our mother earth. It's a point I agree with anyway - we should minimise our emmissions because whatever they are, they are probably damaging and emissions means anyway we have 'consumed' something along the way.
Why? It isn't a case where doing less will make any difference - you'd have to rewrite society completely to achieve that. The consumers of this world don't seem to care and developing nations show no signs of listening to any ecological message.

I'm just wondering how the 'average joe public family' will survive without Corrie, Argos and McD's when Gaia decides she's had enough. I've got my bolt hole and strategy worked out anyway! here's a hint - go high, but sheltered.......

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Clippo

C_Steam wrote:-
Admittedly they never say categorically “we believe that GW is in part due to increased CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels” but I can’t see any other interpretation from Exxon’s own writings, For example from:-
climate
There are many other examples which I won’t bore you with.

With regard to :-
It would seem that most everybody else, (scientists, world governments, the IPCC and even probably Uncle Tom Cobley & all, )disagree with you on this.
Why else, (apart from some irrational New World Order conspiracy), would they all be calling for gradual reductions in CO2 emissions ?

It seems to me from the tone of your post that you consider doomsday inevitable. Even if by taking reductive resource precautions now to mitigate CC, where I have doubts & uncertainties about the future is hundreds perhaps thousands of years from now is that all the useable fossil fuels will have been used and perhaps uranium as well. As someone put it on another blog, ‘how would you/I feel if the ancient Greeks, say, had used up all the fossil fuels in some gigantic act of profligacy’?

In my opinion, cutting back on the consumption throttle may give humanity more time to develop, for example, alternative energy sources.

PS – If you’re thinking of running up a mountain & hiding in a cave, other species have got there before you and by definition there's nowhere to go when you reach the top
Climate change hastens extinction in Madagascar's reptiles and amphibians

g hall

ExxonMobil are in the energy business and a good businessman responds to consumer demand and that is what they are doing

You don't kill the goose that lays your golden egg do you ?

If more oil companies get on board then the problem may be cracked without moving back 1000 years which so many green loonies want

Our modern economy DEMANDS affordable energy and now people are seeing just what the false green dawn is costing perhaps they may start thinking a bit deeper about the motives of people like Gore

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Wessexman

No mate, the Oil companies are all about using Oil no matter what. They are as bad as gov'ts going the other way and anyone objective should discard both large corporations pusing for fossil fuels and the usual statist rubbish.

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g hall

One I am not your mate

so why are they diversifying if they didn't then surely they will ultimately have no product to sell

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