Britain increases its carbon footprint, despite population being fleeced.

mkpdavies · 11-05-2008, 12:17 PM

Driving and cheap flights lay waste to recycling campaign - Times Online

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Hopes that Britain has turned into a nation of environmentalists were dealt a severe blow yesterday by an official report which found that the nation's carbon footprint was growing.
Although far more households were separating their rubbish for recycling, any benefits to the environment have been more than wiped out by a sharp rise in car journeys, a decline in cycling and a dramatic increase in commercial flights.
The findings come in the latest report on regional trends from the Office for National Statistics.

The fact recycling does NOTHING to help anyway probably doesn't help either.

g hall · 11-05-2008, 01:29 PM

Pile on more taxes - done that already

John Cooper · 12-05-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Driving and cheap flights lay waste to recycling campaign - Times Online

The fact recycling does NOTHING to help anyway probably doesn't help either.

Recycling aluminum and glass uses less energy than producing new materials.

So how can it be useless ?

mkpdavies · 12-05-2008, 02:10 PM

Aluminium I will give you.

Glass is a waste of time.

mkpdavies · 12-05-2008, 02:21 PM

Actually, I am beginning to doubt Aluminum too.

If taking this stuff and making it into something else was so energy efficient and worthwhile, how come we have to subsidise companies to come and pick it up, clean it and reform it?

If it was so much more efficient, shoudn't the companies be paying us to give them the materials back?

John Cooper · 12-05-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Actually, I am beginning to doubt Aluminum too.

If taking this stuff and making it into something else was so energy efficient and worthwhile, how come we have to subsidise companies to come and pick it up, clean it and reform it?

If it was so much more efficient, shoudn't the companies be paying us to give them the materials back?

I don't know.

Possibly their energy costs are less than the cost of the effort because of different taxes on labour and energy ?

g hall · 12-05-2008, 04:26 PM

When I was a child we used to buy glass bottles of fizzy drink which incurred giving a deposit and the empty bottle got the deposit back , it was way to earn money as well by searching the locality for same of course now glass is all non-deposit

We also trawled the beach and around town for metals (e.g. lead weights dropped by fishermen) clothing rags and used to go to one of the local rag and bone guys and get a bit of money

So our actions meant less rubbish and plenty of recycling of course that cannot be done under EU legislation

All reasons why modern life is just ****

mkpdavies · 12-05-2008, 06:07 PM

Not sure you can blame the EU for this one. I too remember taking back my fizzy pop bottles to Percy Browns, to collect 10p per bottle.

Problem is it became cheaper and cheaper for companies to get glass bottles and most switched to even cheaper plastic ones anyway.

It cost more to recycle, so companies have no interest in recycling. That is why massive subsidies have to used, using cash stolen from the taxpayer. Cash that could have gone towards more productive things than propping up an inefficient industry.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Actually, I am beginning to doubt Aluminum too. If taking this stuff and making it into something else was so energy efficient and worthwhile, how come we have to subsidise companies to come and pick it up, clean it and reform it? If it was so much more efficient, shoudn't the companies be paying us to give them the materials back? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

12-05-2008, 04:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erehwon Posts: 5,225	When I was a child we used to buy glass bottles of fizzy drink which incurred giving a deposit and the empty bottle got the deposit back , it was way to earn money as well by searching the locality for same of course now glass is all non-deposit We also trawled the beach and around town for metals (e.g. lead weights dropped by fishermen) clothing rags and used to go to one of the local rag and bone guys and get a bit of money So our actions meant less rubbish and plenty of recycling of course that cannot be done under EU legislation All reasons why modern life is just **** __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

12-05-2008, 06:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Not sure you can blame the EU for this one. I too remember taking back my fizzy pop bottles to Percy Browns, to collect 10p per bottle. Problem is it became cheaper and cheaper for companies to get glass bottles and most switched to even cheaper plastic ones anyway. It cost more to recycle, so companies have no interest in recycling. That is why massive subsidies have to used, using cash stolen from the taxpayer. Cash that could have gone towards more productive things than propping up an inefficient industry. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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