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Old 11-05-2008, 12:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Morrisons has held out so far. They have put reusable bags and boxes in their shops, but not threatened to remove carrier bags so far.

They retain my business as long as they keep this sensible position.
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I'm going to go to Marks & Sparks Monday lunch time when it's busy and load up a trolley full of food, load it all onto the checkout and refuse to pay 5p for each bag then walk out. It will probably take a member of staff about an hour to put it all back on the shelves, a lot more than it would have cost to give me free plastic bags. I think everyone should do this.

That is priceless and I shall do that myself when I have my bold head on.
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The photograph in your last posting to this thread, Besoeker, presumably shows what is claimed to be bits of plastic bags in a tree.

But that mess is not the fault of the plastic bag is it?
Of course it is they have a life of their own

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I would imagine that the majority of people re-use the plastics bags they get at supermarket check-outs as bin liners (me included).
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If supermarkets start charging for check-out plastic bags all that will happen is that people will go to other shops to buy rolls of plastic bin liners instead. Extra expense for the consumer - and no reduction in plastic bag usage.

For many years the supermarket chain Kwiksave (many of its branches have now been taken over by Somerfield) never gave out plastic bags free - customers there (including me) accepted this because the prices at Kwiksave were very cheap (and probably still are for those who still have a Kwiksave branch near to them). Customers usually took in their own plastic bags.

What many customers will not find acceptable is certain supermarket chains charging for check-out plastic bags but not really cutting their prices to the extent that Kwiksave has done.
The supermarkets will also increase their profits and VAT will be collected thus swelling the governments coffers even more
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The photograph in your last posting to this thread, Besoeker, presumably shows what is claimed to be bits of plastic bags in a tree.

But that mess is not the fault of the plastic bag is it?
Quite so. It is the fault of the people who discard them. But if there were none to discard none would be discarded.
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Quite so. It is the fault of the people who discard them. But if there were none to discard none would be discarded.
That's a rather poor reason to ban them.

If there were no cameras, no-one could create indecent images, if there were no cars, no-one could break the speed limit or have car accidents...

You see where this is going?
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Quite so. It is the fault of the people who discard them. But if there were none to discard none would be discarded.
And possibly the people who allegedly threw away plastic bags creating the mess in the tree (in the picture you posted earlier to this thread) would just throw paper bags away instead. Paper bags made from having to use more land space to grow trees instead of food at this time when there are reports of food shortages.

It seems to me much more sensible to stick with using plastic bags (made from a petrochemical by-product which would otherwise go to waste) and finding ways to persuade those who throw them away in the street not to do so.

Why should millions of people lose their chance of free plastic bags after spending Pounds in a supermarket just because a few people allegedly do not know how to dispose of plastic bags correctly?

Land should be used not for growing trees to make paper bags to replace plastic bags - but to grow food and for growth of crops for biofuel.

By the way, I have not come across any plastic bags in the street around here or in trees. Bu in some localities I have noticed litter made from paper blowing around in the gutter and/or on the pavements.
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Morrisons has held out so far.....not threatened to remove carrier bags so far. They retain my business as long as they keep this sensible position.
Good for Morrisons. I hope that they do not start charging for plastic bags at the check-out. But I notice that at my local Morrisons they seem to be leaving out less plastic bags at the check-outs for customers than before. Often there are just a couple of plastic bags left out.
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That's a rather poor reason to ban them.

If there were no cameras, no-one could create indecent images, if there were no cars, no-one could break the speed limit or have car accidents...

You see where this is going?
Yes. And it is a fair point.
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And possibly the people who allegedly threw away plastic bags creating the mess in the tree (in the picture you posted earlier to this thread) would just throw paper bags away instead. Paper bags made from having to use more land space to grow trees instead of food at this time when there are reports of food shortages..
Read post #16.
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Read post #16.
I already have.

Recycled paper bags still come originally from trees grown specially to make paper (large amounts of land being used to grow trees). Recycled plastic bags come originally from a By-product produced at petrol plants which would otherwise go to waste. The production of plastic bags does not involve large areas of land (unlike paper bags where large forests of trees covering huge areas have to be planted to produce the paper).

Recycled plastic bags are cheaper to produce than recycled paper bags and plastic bags survive getting wet - many paper bags do not. An important point for those carrying a heavy load of shopping home. What use is a soggy paper shopping bag - recycled paper or not?

Economically and environmentally plastic bag or recylced plastic bag production is better than paper bag or recycled paper bag production.

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