Poptech

The propaganda and smears never stops.

Art Robinson Reponds to Petition Slander

"Every listed signer has a university degree in science. The posted listing gives their highest degrees. (MDs were listed only if their underlying degrees were in science.) Thousands of physicists and chemists signed - including about 100 members of the National Academy, about 500 meteorologists and climate scientists, and numerous very eminent people in American science. [...]

For every signer we have a physical signature mailed to us by first class mail from the signer's address. No one has been listed who did not actually sign - except the Ozone Action signature, which they sent with false credentials, a false address, and a false signature.

The review article sent with the petition could not possibly have been mistaken for a PNAS reprint. I have published many research papers in PNAS. I am very familiar with reprint formats.

The PNAS claim originated because Frederick Seitz - past president of the National Academy and past president of Rockefeller University signed a letter that was circulated with the petition. (Dr. Seitz, like everyone else who has actively opposed the "enviro warmers" has been smeared with many false claims.) Also, the first signers of the petition were several rather famous members of the National Academy. [...]

I note that you entirely ignore the scientific arguments and depend primarily upon parroting personal smears (published by others like you) of those who oppose you and claiming (without proof) that lots of people (almost everyone) agree(s) with you. Is this the method of determining natural truth that was taught to you in physics classes?

You may be interested to know that the highest percentage response to our request for signatures came from physicists. As a group, physicists tend to be very rigorous in their application of the scientific method."

Besoeker

Yes. Even the missing bits.

Besoeker

So why not classify them as such?
Doesn't that make you wonder why they didn't?

Poptech

Yes it makes me wonder why you keep repeating the same things over and over. Don't you think that if it was full of fake scientists that they would have been exposed by now? Yet for all these years all they can come up with against it is one name they planted which has now been removed:

"Only one false name has ever appeared on the petition. It was put there by Ozone Action (now Greenpeace USA) and removed immediately thereafter."

Besoeker

I have yet to see any plausible, let alone convincing, reasoning why someone with an MS degree should be given no recognition or even be designated MD.
It makes no sense. Don't you wonder about that? Doesn't it engender even the slightest bit of doubt in your mind?

Interesting question.
How exactly would you expose someone on whom you had no information relating to a science degree?
How would you classify Michael Talbot? Real? Fake? Invented?

Which of the Ackermans had a scientific degree?
Maybe one had the Ackerman angles covered? Steered in the right direction?

Poptech

I am happy you are not convinced as your arguments are circular and have long stopped making sense. The only thing I wonder about is your mental state. Feel free to research the scientists yourself - I have shown examples proving my point just remember to only look at names with actual scientific degrees since that is what is stated on the petition, even though they are not spelled out.

The argument goes on forever, What are their individual degrees? Where were the degrees obtained? Are the degrees real? Are the degrees in Climatology (which next to no one has)? Who do they work for? Have they published Peer-Reviewed papers? Have they published Peer-Review papers in Journals designated ok by RealClimate? Have they published Peer-Reviewed papers relating to the AGW debate? Have the published recent papers? Has realclimate said the papers to be worthless? on.. and... on... and... on... Yes I know how the game is played. You would never accept the petition no matter how much evidence is provided.

The reality is the Petition exists as clear evidence that there is NO Consensus on man-made global warming.

Besoeker

Not at all.
There is one very simple, and still unanswered question.
Why change someone's qualification from MS to MD?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Surely even you can see that?

Poptech

Where is it stated that someone's degree was changed from M.S. to M.D.? Surely you can see you make up things in your mind.

Besoeker

From post #91 in the other thread (Waiting for global cooling) this verbatim what you posted:

"Qualification to be a signatory requires that the individual have a university degree in physical science, either BS, MS, or PhD. Those with PhD degrees are so designated. Those with BS and MS degrees are undesignated or sometimes designated as MD if appropriate."

BonnieDundee

And is not even true, he had bloody economists and such.

And this is from the guy who seems to think the official endorsement of major science societies like the Royal society only means the proof their presidents support MMGW. He is a Don't feed him!

__________________
"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.