The Australian newspaper article - Global Cooling!? - Page 2

mkpdavies · 28-04-2008, 02:24 PM

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You've lost the debate on this. Global warming is happening.

What reference frame are you basing that on and why?

Poptech · 28-04-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

I'm not going to take a blog with e-mails that can easily be faked above accredited reports and news articles.

As for your cache link, again have you read it? Even the 'unaltered' version reads:

"But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years."

I'm also slightly suspicious of your animated GIF, because the editing time of the article hasn't changed between the 'old' and 'new' versions of the story.

Yes it is all made up and they really did not change the article. And this alarmist site is bragging for no reason:

Origin - BBC : Balance Restored (Campaign against Climate Change, UK Activist Portal)

And they conveniently removed this line:

This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.

People can make up their own minds.

Akria · 28-04-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Poptech

Yes it is all made up and they really did not change the article. And this alarmist site is bragging for no reason:

Origin - BBC : Balance Restored (Campaign against Climate Change, UK Activist Portal)

And they conveniently removed this line:

This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.

People can make up their own minds.

Clippo posted a link to an informal paper a few days ago in which three of the most authoritative datasets showed a slight warming trend even since 1998, a year which was of course affected by one of the strongest El Ninos we have on record.
At the beginning of this year it was reported that the 2007 had become the second-warmest year on record - even despite a moderate La Nina at the end of the year, which has continued in to this year - and yet it was reported by Time that March this year was the warmest on record.

These are statistically insignificant timeframes - a mere decade in one case and an even meerer month in another - but even so, the claim of global cooling just isn't true, despite the unusually cold start to this year; just as we could have temperatures of twenty degrees Celsius, almost six above the norm, for a month from tomorrow, or even for several years, but that would not be indicative of global warming unless it was maintained on a longer timescale.

Poptech · 28-04-2008, 04:29 PM

And I provided extensive evidence of Global Cooling:

2006 - Russian Scientist Issues Global Cooling Warning (Russian News and Information Agency)
2006 - Short-Term Ocean Cooling Suggests Global Warming 'Speed Bump' (Science Daily)
2006 - The Coldest Year In The Last Five Years (The Reference Frame)
2006 - There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998 (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
2007 - Canadian Professor: Prepare for Global Cooling (NewsMax)
2007 - The Coming Global Cooling? (World Climate Report)
2007 - Is 'global cooling' the real threat? (The Washington Times)
2007 - Year of Global Cooling (The Washington Times)
2007 - Coolest Winter Since 2001 For U.S., Globe, According To NOAA Data (Science Daily)
2008 - A cold spell soon to replace global warming (Russian News and Information Agency)
2008 - Br-r-r! Where did global warming go? (The Boston Globe)
2008 - Solar Activity Diminishes; Researchers Predict Another Ice Age (DailyTech)
2008 - Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age (National Post, Canada)
2008 - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (DailyTech)
2008 - 4 sources say "globally cooler" in the past 12 months (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist)
2008 - The Oceans Have Stopped Warming! (Canada Free Press)
2008 - No Global Warming Since 1998 As Planet Cools Off (Prison Planet)
2008 - Global temperatures 'to decrease' (BBC)
2008 - Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh (The Australian)
2008 - The Antarctic deep sea gets colder (Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres)

What Timescale is long enough and how is this timescale decided?

Hartlepool · 28-04-2008, 04:58 PM

Clippo will make those decisions and they will be final I expect,Poptech.

By the way,did I thank you for showing him the door on all this stuff,Poptech?

Anyway,thanks for your efforts in this,and long may you remain the King on here.

Clippo · 28-04-2008, 06:36 PM

Hartlepool wrote:-

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Clippo will make those decisions and they will be final I expect,Poptech.

You're getting as paranoid about me as rjt is about Al Gore - both because you can't even begin to appreciate how insignificant your opinions are and you resolutely demonstrate the capacity to see through the US Libertarian propaganda. Poptech has not quoted any reputable scientific source above.
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By the way,did I thank you for showing him the door on all this stuff,Poptech?

In your dreams. Check out my newly posted threads.

mkpdavies · 28-04-2008, 06:58 PM

Evil libertarians. They should shut the **** up and except their position as slaves.

Poptech · 28-04-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

Poptech has not quoted any reputable scientific source above.

Obviously these are not scientific sources...

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, Ph.D. Astrophysicist
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physics
Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology
R. Timothy (Tim) Patterson, B.Sc. Biology, Ph.D. Professor of Geology
Nir J. Shaviv, Ph.D. Astrophysicist
Lin Zhen-Shan and Sun Xian of the Nanjing Normal University in China
NOAA
Henrik Svensmark, Director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center
Anthony Watts, Meteorologist
Dennis T. Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics
Philip K. Chapman, B.S. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Aeronautics and Astronautics, Ph.D. Instrumentation
Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres

Are you that desperate that you need to lie?

Hartlepool · 28-04-2008, 07:39 PM

I must admit Poptech,that question did pop into my mind when I read that post.

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 29-04-2008, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

What reference frame are you basing that on and why?

Given all the evidence posted here and the numerous debates, I have decided that the case put forward by Clippo and the IPCC is more credible and it is the argument I have chosen to accept.

I'm sure we disagree on what should be done about it though.

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28-04-2008, 04:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
Poptech Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 124	And I provided extensive evidence of Global Cooling: 2006 - Russian Scientist Issues Global Cooling Warning (Russian News and Information Agency) 2006 - Short-Term Ocean Cooling Suggests Global Warming 'Speed Bump' (Science Daily) 2006 - The Coldest Year In The Last Five Years (The Reference Frame) 2006 - There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998 (The Daily Telegraph, UK) 2007 - Canadian Professor: Prepare for Global Cooling (NewsMax) 2007 - The Coming Global Cooling? (World Climate Report) 2007 - Is 'global cooling' the real threat? (The Washington Times) 2007 - Year of Global Cooling (The Washington Times) 2007 - Coolest Winter Since 2001 For U.S., Globe, According To NOAA Data (Science Daily) 2008 - A cold spell soon to replace global warming (Russian News and Information Agency) 2008 - Br-r-r! Where did global warming go? (The Boston Globe) 2008 - Solar Activity Diminishes; Researchers Predict Another Ice Age (DailyTech) 2008 - Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age (National Post, Canada) 2008 - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (DailyTech) 2008 - 4 sources say "globally cooler" in the past 12 months (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist) 2008 - The Oceans Have Stopped Warming! (Canada Free Press) 2008 - No Global Warming Since 1998 As Planet Cools Off (Prison Planet) 2008 - Global temperatures 'to decrease' (BBC) 2008 - Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh (The Australian) 2008 - The Antarctic deep sea gets colder (Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres) What Timescale is long enough and how is this timescale decided?