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Or laid on their backs in a clover meadow at night looking at the universe?
If not,better go and do it tonight because the fields are all full of clipo types,stargazing is part of the treatment they all undergo in the CC/MMGW Temple of Loons. |
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You've sadly missed the point of this list of peer reviewed papers. It has been compiled by a member of a Libertarian (i.e. extreme right wing US) think tank which was a member of the Cooler Heads Coalition - google that in wiki and see who fellow travellers are/were. My point about many of the ideas being debunked followed from a quick scan where I saw from the titles things like 'it was the sun wot did it' and 'cosmic rays are to blame' and so on - these are largely the tedious attempts at disinformation and doubt by Libertarian AGW denialists which have been debunked time and time again by the serious scientific community. Since you have a penchant for this sort of thing, George, perhaps you could survey how many peer reviewed scientific papers have been published in the same period which are in favour of AGW. Nancy Oreskes studies would be a good starting point. Last edited by Clippo; 24-04-2008 at 07:29 PM. Reason: addition |
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Furthermore, George, I would suggest you read the summaries of many of the quoted papers and try to understand exactly what the researchers are claiming - which may be very subtely different to the II claims.
I see from the early papers that 'Millenial scale' warming (& cooling) episodes are identified from ice core analysis - but bear in mind our current warming phase is believed by most of the researchers who have actually made the measurements to be 'decadal'. You understand the difference I presume. And I see the hoary old 'CO2 lag' argument, so favoured by TTGWS, is quoted. You've been hornswoggled ![]() |
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I can't believe you've just equated libertarianism with the extreme right wing, I've always thought you were just a bit deluded but surely, surely you're not so stupid as to not know what a libertarian is? You'll probably find the majority of contributors to this forum consider themselves libertarian. |
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Sun's Past Strength Took Toll On Tropical Glaciers, Worsens Today's Outlook (Science Daily)
Sun's warming influence 'under-estimated' (BBC) Sunspots: correlations with temperature (Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physicist, Harvard) Surface Warming And The Solar Cycle (Science Daily) The Solar to Global Warming Connection (Jim Goodridge, Retired State Climatologist) The Sun Also Warms (Sallie Baliunas, Ph.D. Astrophysics, Willie Soon Ph.D.) The Sun's Chilly Impact On Earth (Science Daily) The Sun and Global Warming (NASA) The Sun Is More Active Now Than Over The Last 8000 Years (Science Daily) The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame (The Daily Telegraph, UK) Viewpoint: The Sun and climate change (BBC) Why So Hot? Don't Blame Man, Blame the Sun (Sallie Baliunas, Ph.D. Astrophysics) Oreskes study has been debunked and is worthless. RE: “The scientific consensus on climate change” (Benny Peiser, The letter Science Magazine refused to publish) Quote:
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Looks like the envirofascists will sink to any level to try and get their way.
Each time they are exposed as the liars and cheats they are, the more their agenda becomes clear.
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However, curious at your seemingly impressive list of references to support your case I glanced down it and guess what ? we find the names Soon, Baliunas, Milloy (of Junkscience fame), Patterson - all well known contrarians whose theories have been debunked by the mainstream science. Added to your list are many media articles which probably 2nd generation pieces from the flawed Solar / GW theorists. And then we have the usual crackpots from outside the mainstream Climate science fields. Worried that I may have indeed been mistaken all along, I looked intensively at reference #6 in your first list attributed to the Guardian. (The Guardian publishing something so heretical ?????). What do I find ? Actually it's a letter from a reader. And guess who ?? why it's our old meteorologist crackpot Piers Corbyn. I need say no more on the this topic. As regards Nancy Oreskes' research, you are living in a parallel universe. The deniers did try some time back to cast doubt ( their favourite tactic) on her research methods but their arguments were blown out of the water comprehensively. By your own printed admission, Science magazine refused to print Benny Peiser's 'research' - probably because it was so flawed it didn't get through initial peer-review. |
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Thank you Poptech for your posts #15 and #16,they are very welcome here and extremely informative.
As you will be aware,the pro Climate Change and MMGW fanatics are hell bent on dissing anything and everything that disproves or disagrees with their idea of things,your posts are perfect proof that these people are wrong in most of what they push on the subject. Thanks. |
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Reply to Lockwood and Fröhlich – The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing (The Danish National Space Center) Quote:
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Piers Corbyn, B.Sc. Physics, M.Sc. Astrophysics Sallie Baliunas, M.A. Ph.D. Astrophysics, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Willie Soon, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Of course any rational person can decide for themselves. And the others are Scientists as well: Steve Milloy, B.A. Natural Sciences, M.S. Health Sciences R. Timothy (Tim) Patterson, B.Sc. Biology, Ph.D. Professor of Geology People can make up their own minds. Quote:
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