Climate change 'may put world at war'

Clippo · 25-04-2008, 02:17 PM

From your link Poptech, :-

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Techniques developed by the Global Footprint Network, an international research network, form the underpinnings for the NTNU group’s research numbers and methods.

-- The Environmental Footprint describes a country’s resource consumption compared to its ecological capacity, explain Binningsbø and de Soysa.

The Ecological Footprint measures humankind’s exploitation of natural resources. In other words, how much do you have, and how much do you use?

The method is widely used as a measurement technique, but has also been criticised . Researchers have argued that the method can only be applied on a global basis, in as much as countries trade with each other, and therefore aren’t necessarily solely dependent on their own natural resources.

my bolding

I wouldn't say the risk of war over Climate Change issues has been debunked - far from it.

Why would RUSL have carried out this analysis if this 'debunking' was so thorough?

For Britannist:-
my personal comments about you were derived from your frequent attacks on the soveriegnty of the UK from all sources (which I also agree largely with).

So, are you nationalistic or not?

Hartlepool,
You've repeatedly shown you can't cope with the truth by asking me and others not to post. Don't waste your time - and I note you have mis-spelled my forum name yet again !!

g hall · 25-04-2008, 02:22 PM

War's are fought over many things but essentially they are about control of assets whatever the asset is you don't need to be a follower of Gore to realise that.
Availability of assets varies because of many things changes in climate is just one of them , still any excuse to promote the Cassandra theories of MMGW by the IPCC and Gorist followers
Jackanory time again

Hartlepool · 25-04-2008, 02:58 PM

clipo highlights the fact that something "has also been criticised",I say,so what if it has?

Tell me one single thing that has never been criticised so far in this existence of ours.

clipo seems to be grasping at straws again guys,hope he doesn't complain to the Mods again.

Poptech · 26-04-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

I wouldn't say the risk of war over Climate Change issues has been debunked - far from it.

Please leave out the main part of the article Clippo as it debunks your hysterical assertions:

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New Norwegian research suggests, however, that there is no connection between environmental crises and armed conflict.

The premise underlying the Nobel Committee’s expanded definition of peace is that there is a causal connection between natural resource shortages and violent conflict.

But is that true? Not according to a new study from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU).

A series of case studies in recent years from areas stricken by conflict has helped develop a theoretical basis for the claim that natural resource scarcity leads to armed conflict. Darfur, Sudan, is a recent example of this presumed causal connection, with Rwanda, Haiti and Somalia as other examples.

Helga Malmin Binningsbø, Indra de Soysa and Nils Petter Gleditsch, from NTNU’s Department of Sociology and Political Science, looked at the environmental pressures in 150 countries in the period from 1961 to 1999. By using an internationally recognized technique for measuring a country’s environmental sustainability –“The Ecological Footprint” – the researchers were able to compare these numbers with statistics on armed conflict during the same period.

Their conclusion may seem paradoxical—lands where resources are heavily exploited show a clear connection to a lack of armed conflict. Or alternatively, nations troubled by war during the research period had lower exploitation rates of their natural resources. The findings give researchers solid empirical support for stating that environmental scarcity is not the reason behind violent conflict.

Britannist · 26-04-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

How about commenting on the possibility of Wars resulting from Climate Change ?

Posting 4 to this thread.

Clippo · 26-04-2008, 08:16 AM

So Britannist,

You are saying that no previous war ocurred over a climate change issue and/or no future wars will happen over Climate Change related issues ?

Britannist · 26-04-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

So Britannist - You are saying that no previous war occurred over a climate change issue and/or no future wars will happen over Climate Change related issues ?

Posting 4.

rjt · 27-04-2008, 03:12 PM

I think the title of this thread ammounts to the biggest load of ( something I cannot say) I have ever had the misfortune to read on this forum.

Lets get real on this issue, it will not be of the least importance at the next election, this is a propaganda campain designed to make it seem alright that governments can tax us until the pips squeak and increase thier control over us. What the acolytes of St Al the unelectable are doing now on this forum is getting nearer and nearer to trolling.

Westcountryman · 27-04-2008, 03:18 PM

Could lead to war?

I'm no expert, but I don't think nuclear weapons are very friendly towards the environment.

g hall · 29-04-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Could lead to war?

I'm no expert, but I don't think nuclear weapons are very friendly towards the environment.

Yeah but a nuclear winter will stop MMGW in it's tracks

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25-04-2008, 02:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,413	clipo highlights the fact that something "has also been criticised",I say,so what if it has? Tell me one single thing that has never been criticised so far in this existence of ours. clipo seems to be grasping at straws again guys,hope he doesn't complain to the Mods again.

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Clippo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,776	So Britannist, You are saying that no previous war ocurred over a climate change issue and/or no future wars will happen over Climate Change related issues ?