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mkpdavies · 29-04-2008, 05:20 PM

Are those figures peer reviewed? I don't remember seeing them in the Independent's guide or Al Gore's DVD.

Besoeker · 30-04-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Are those figures peer reviewed? I don't remember seeing them in the Independent's guide or Al Gore's DVD.

What is this fixation with Al Gore?

Clippo · 30-04-2008, 06:32 AM

Besoeker wrote:-

Well, it’s a function of deniers not being able to quote reliable evidence to support their claims. This has been noticed in many other blogs and given rise to Al Gore’s own ‘Law’ :-

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Gore's Law
As an online climate change debate grows longer, the probability that denier arguments will descend into attacks on Al Gore approaches one.

From, and with supporting discussion,:-

Long Ago and Not True Anyway: Gore's Law

& just to twist the knife into the Libertarians here, the above link has this quote :-

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
John Kenneth Galbraith

Poptech · 30-04-2008, 06:46 AM

You do realize the difference between conservatives and libertarians? They generally only agree on economic issues but seem to manage to generally respect each other despite there sometimes opposing social views. More then I can say for the socialists I mean Greens, Democrats and the great third way.

Clippo · 30-04-2008, 09:59 AM

Since this was quoted on a US website, I interpeted conservative as North Americans do - to mean to the Right of the Republican party - aka Libertarians.

Poptech · 30-04-2008, 11:08 AM

Libertarians are not conservatives in the U.S. they are true classic liberals in the sense that they believe in full economic and personal freedom from government, unlike neo-liberals aka socialists, communists. Conservatives agree on economic issues with libertarians but differ on some social issues. The right in the U.S. are Conservatives who are largely Republican, Libertarians in the U.S. are right only on economic issues such as free markets but true classic liberal on social issues. Republicans, Conservatives and Libertarians in the US have large amounts of AGW Skeptics. The poll clearly shows this as 84% are skeptical the rest are "moderates" and not well versed in science.

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30-04-2008, 06:46 AM	#24 (permalink)
Poptech Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 124	You do realize the difference between conservatives and libertarians? They generally only agree on economic issues but seem to manage to generally respect each other despite there sometimes opposing social views. More then I can say for the socialists I mean Greens, Democrats and the great third way.

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Clippo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,669	Since this was quoted on a US website, I interpeted conservative as North Americans do - to mean to the Right of the Republican party - aka Libertarians.

30-04-2008, 11:08 AM	#26 (permalink)
Poptech Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 124	Libertarians are not conservatives in the U.S. they are true classic liberals in the sense that they believe in full economic and personal freedom from government, unlike neo-liberals aka socialists, communists. Conservatives agree on economic issues with libertarians but differ on some social issues. The right in the U.S. are Conservatives who are largely Republican, Libertarians in the U.S. are right only on economic issues such as free markets but true classic liberal on social issues. Republicans, Conservatives and Libertarians in the US have large amounts of AGW Skeptics. The poll clearly shows this as 84% are skeptical the rest are "moderates" and not well versed in science.