Hartlepool

Wow,you're all really starting to wriggle now you MMGW/CC fanatics.

Poptech,great work,well presented and as clear as a sky, free of CO2,even at mountaintop elevations.

Note,nitpickers and professional hairsplitters, be warned,you have clearly been outed as alarmists for the cause you all know is suspect,at the very least,and further wriggling will see you fall off the hook into the deep doo doo at the bottom of the MMGW pitshaft.

Poptech

He explains all this...

"Every listed signer has a university degree in science. The posted listing gives their highest degrees. (MDs were listed only if their underlying degrees were in science.) Thousands of physicists and chemists signed - including about 100 members of the National Academy, about 500 meteorologists and climate scientists, and numerous very eminent people in American science."

I believe MDs are the best authority for things such as the spread of infectious diseases such as malaria due to "global warming". But he clearly states that they have an underlying degree in science.

Again:

"Qualification to be a signatory requires that the individual have a university degree in physical science, either BS, MS, or PhD. Those with PhD degrees are so designated. Those with BS and MS degrees are undesignated or sometimes designated as MD if appropriate."

As for why he does not spell each listing out in detail is obviously for space. I did a simple Google Search and found the signees easily:

Earl Aagaard, B.A. M.A. Biology, Ph.D. Fish and Wildlife Biology
M. Robert Aaron, B.S. M.S. Electrical Engineering

The names are real no matter whether you want to accept it or not.

No claim is made that every signee has a degree in Climatology as very few in the debate do. You may want to note some of the degrees of the alarmist scientists:

Gavin Schmidt, B.A. Ph.D. Applied Mathematics (RealClimate.org)
James Hansen, B.A. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Astronomy, Ph.D. Physics
Michael Mann, A.B. Applied Math, Physics, M.S. Physics, Ph.D. Geology & Geophysics (RealClimate.org)

Besoeker

Yes, I have read this lame excuse before.
As I said, the only qualifications given are MD and PhD. Neither indicates, with any degree of certainty, a university degree in a physical science.
Why would MD be considered as "appropriate" just sometimes?
Why not include BS or MS degrees in physical sciences instead?
If the qualification to be a signatory requires that the individual has a degree in a physical science why is it that none is given?
Surely publishing science degrees of the signatories would be the best endorsement OISM could wish for.
Why didn't they?
Think about that.

Poptech

Lame only because you are desperate to discredit the overwhelming evidence against an imagined consensus. It is clearly stated over and over that all the signatories have physical science degrees including all the MDs and PhDs listed.

Again this is all stated on the page:

Petition Project Information

"Qualification to be a signatory requires that the individual have a university degree in physical science, either BS, MS, or PhD. Those with PhD degrees are so designated. Those with BS and MS degrees are undesignated or sometimes designated as MD if appropriate."

I have took the time to look up two signatories:

The first one is listed on the page as Earl Aagaard, PhD:

Earl Aagaard, B.A. M.A. Biology, Ph.D. Fish and Wildlife Biology

Clearly he has physical science degrees including his Ph.D. in Fish and Wildlife Biology. A second one is listed just as M Robert Aaron:

M. Robert Aaron, B.S. M.S. Electrical Engineering

Again clearly he has physical science degrees in Electrical Engineering.

As for MDs this was already stated:

"MDs were listed only if their underlying degrees were in science"

Who do you think is more qualified to discuss the implications of global warming on infectious diseases such as Malaria? An MD specializing in infectious disease or someone with a degree in mathematics?

They most likely did not list the degrees due to the size of the web listing. But it wouldn't matter, you would then be requesting all the degrees be listed with the field of study, the university where the degree was obtained, a listing of their published papers and on and on and on. For over 19,000 names that would be ridiculous on a webpage. The names are all there, they have nothing to hide. The best you could come up with is a scientific american reference where they checked 30 names and extrapolated nonsensical conclusions.

Besoeker

Not once have I mentioned concensus.
Yes it is. So why not give them if, as is claimed, they have such qualifications? And I don't buy into your idea of it being to save space.

Now, why on earth would they want to designate someone as MD when their degree is actually BS thus clearly indicating a science rather than a medical degree? Why would it ever be appropriate to do so? What's the point in not attributing the correct qualification when it would add credibility to the signatories.

Then why not attribute him with that degree instead of none?



Or someone with a degree in electrical engineering?
And we don't know what, if any, specialities each MD listed has. Could be paediatrics, obstetrics or anything else. Or, if considered appropriate, they might even be listed as MD but not be one.

Then why not leave them all off? And why put MD instead of MS? That's no more space and would be more accurate in some cases. That makes no sense.

Some have nothing to show.
Look at the Ackerman list from the same page you got your two examples:
Gene Ackerman – reverse mortgage specialist
John R Ackerman ?
William Ackerman – guitarist
William Ackerman – actor (Lobster man from mars)
Richard E. Ackermann ?



Sorry, Popeye. I didn't post that. I'd prefer that you don't attribute posts to me that I didn't make.

Poptech

They probably did it to fool you because there is no logical reason for saving space on a listing of 19,000 names.

Probably because they are professionally medical doctors and they want to make that clear. The "correct" qualification to one person is not to another. They clearly stated they all have science based degrees. Yes the full degrees are not listed.

Maybe to save space?

Electrical Engineers are scientists and thus helped design and build the computers the computer models run on, the wind turbines that create eyesores and the power grid that distributes the electricity from the coal generating electrical plants that are going to cause the doomsday.

Actually when you think of it you don't know anything about them other then their name, they have a degree in a physical science and they willfully signed a paper saying we will not die from CO2.

Yes of course and when they talk about the scientist who created the Hockey Stick report I believe them to be lying that he is a scientist since he is clearly the executive producer of: "How to Get the Man's Foot Outta Your Ass"

Berserk, I apologize for the confusion and will try to not spell your name wrong in a sarcastic manner anymore either.

Besoeker

Sarcasm rather than address the point that MS, BS, and MD all occupy the same amount of space?
And maybe in some cases they are not doctors at all.
There is simply no logical justification for that.
And that qualifies them to be knowlegable about climate change?
The OISM claims that they all have a degree in a physical science (well they would wouldn't they?)........yet NOT ONE science degree is explicitly given.
Why not? It can't be just to save space since they are sometimes designated as MD.

Poptech

You figured it out they are not real scientists and OISM is lying yet for 10 years no one has been able to prove it but now you figured it out and wow amazing.

I already told you the justification they wanted to fool you and those MDs are not real either they just put them there to get you asking questions and the names are randomly generated by a climate model computer. Or maybe the names listed are really bakers and car mechanics. The others any bum off the street they could get to sign and they added MD and PhD to fool you but you were too smart for them.

Does someone with a degree in Mathematics qualify them to be knowledgeable about Climate Change? I feel like I keep having the same arguments.

Besoeker

I made no such claim.
Please try to read what I posted, not what you think I meant.

Poptech

Hey wait the 13 names on the science society president's action letter does not list their degrees either. I wonder if they really have them? Maybe more of the same. Maybe OISM made that one up too but this time for the IPCC so they could keep arguing. But OISM intentionally left off all the degrees on theirs so people would ask these questions and not believe OISM. They then wasted their time putting it online all the names! They even categorized them by state so you can locate the local baker... I mean Phd MD.