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Old 14-04-2008, 11:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Central Plank Of Global Warming Alarmism Discredited

Central Plank Of Global Warming Alarmism Discredited

"One of the central philosophies of climate change alarmism and an image that adorned the cover of Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth - the contention that global warming causes deadly hurricanes - has been completely discredited by the expert who first proposed it."

"Emanuel has completely recanted his position and now admits that hurricanes and storms will actually decline over the next 200 years and have little or no correlation with global temperature change whatsoever."

"Shortly after China experienced its coldest winter in 100 years and northeast America was hit by record snow levels, Britain is currently experiencing its coldest April in decades"

No doubt the MMGW alarmists on this forum will still be pushing it until every one of them has lost all credibility (the scientists that is - the one's on this forum lost their's a long time ago )
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Old 15-04-2008, 12:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Did you read the scientific paper?
Having had a quick glance through the abstract and then summary, it seems to be predicting quite the opposite in general.
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Friends and Colleagues
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> It appears that the UK Hadley Centre, formerly a bastion of warming
> revisionism, has now come into line with other international
> climatology labs in confirming the absence of any direct causal link
> between atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration and average global
> temperature. The attached report and pdf letter to the IPCC makes
> matters clear. Please do read these attachments. This leaves
> anthropogenic global warming (AGW) as a figment of the political
> imagination of Al Gore and his little green men. The polar bears can
> remain undisturbed in Canada, rather than resting in peace.
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> Now that there is no longer any substantial scientific point to
> debate, I propose to devote my time to other more pressing matters in
> the hope that European leaders, together with some of my good
> friends, yourselves, will now concede the point and spread tidings of
> joy. We no longer have to grow biofuels, destroying hundreds of
> hectares of virgin forest and denying food to half the world's
> population; neither do we have to subsidise expensive and inefficient
> wind farms and other renewables which deface the countryside, make
> hazardous our coastal waters and kill wildlife. Nor do we have to act
> as reluctant beta testers for hydrogen-fuelled transport ... or not
> before 2050 at the earliest.
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> What we must do now is develop our coal and nuclear industries with
> all possible speed to try to bridge the yawning energy gap. If we act
> now, though the next few years could be tough, we might just about
> avoid catastrophe in the form of prolonged outages of mains supplies.
> Go, go, go ...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Derek
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At last the truth will out .The whole global warming saga caused by MADE MADE CARBON DIOXIDE is now shown to be a complete con as we all hoped it would be .
However the govts of the West will be very reluctant to agree, they are making us all carbon slaves and coining it for their coffers .It will be interesting to watch this one unfolding .
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Now wait for the same old tired arguments from the same old tired posters

Paid by Exxon etc

Not peer reviewed

just wrong

a zillion "scientists" disagree and they are MMGW experts

10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1, GO
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Friends and Colleagues
>
> It appears that the UK Hadley Centre, formerly a bastion of warming
> revisionism, has now come into line with other international
> climatology labs in confirming the absence of any direct causal link
> between atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration and average global
> temperature. The attached report and pdf letter to the IPCC makes
> matters clear. Please do read these attachments. This leaves
> anthropogenic global warming (AGW) as a figment of the political
> imagination of Al Gore and his little green men. The polar bears can
> remain undisturbed in Canada, rather than resting in peace.
>
> Now that there is no longer any substantial scientific point to
> debate, I propose to devote my time to other more pressing matters in
> the hope that European leaders, together with some of my good
> friends, yourselves, will now concede the point and spread tidings of
> joy. We no longer have to grow biofuels, destroying hundreds of
> hectares of virgin forest and denying food to half the world's
> population; neither do we have to subsidise expensive and inefficient
> wind farms and other renewables which deface the countryside, make
> hazardous our coastal waters and kill wildlife. Nor do we have to act
> as reluctant beta testers for hydrogen-fuelled transport ... or not
> before 2050 at the earliest.
>
> What we must do now is develop our coal and nuclear industries with
> all possible speed to try to bridge the yawning energy gap. If we act
> now, though the next few years could be tough, we might just about
> avoid catastrophe in the form of prolonged outages of mains supplies.
> Go, go, go ...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Derek
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Care to post the source of that quote?
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Whether you are a proponent of AGW or a sceptic, you should be interested in getting certain facts right. If such a dramatic change on AGW had been made by the Hadley Centre, we might at least expect it to be highlighted on their website. Instead, the first item on the website gives a list of climate change facts, namely:

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Fact 1: Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it

Fact 2: Temperatures are continuing to rise

Fact 3: The current climate change is not just part of a natural cycle

Fact 4: Recent warming cannot be explained by the Sun or natural factors alone

Fact 5: If we continue emitting greenhouse gases this warming will continue and delaying action will make the problem more difficult to fix

Fact 6: Climate models predict the main features of future climate
So whatever that email says, it does not look as though the Hadley Centre has changed its position.

Met Office: Climate change

I'm sure the email will be cited on dozens of blogs before long.
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Fact 1: Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it

Fact 2: Temperatures are continuing to rise

Fact 3: The current climate change is not just part of a natural cycle

Fact 4: Recent warming cannot be explained by the Sun or natural factors alone

Fact 5: If we continue emitting greenhouse gases this warming will continue and delaying action will make the problem more difficult to fix

Fact 6: Climate models predict the main features of future climate
These are opinions NOT facts they may be working thesis but are not 100% proven, much like the other lies that MMGW people peddle
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Whether you are a proponent of AGW or a sceptic, you should be interested in getting certain facts right. If such a dramatic change on AGW had been made by the Hadley Centre, we might at least expect it to be highlighted on their website. Instead, the first item on the website gives a list of climate change facts, namely:


So whatever that email says, it does not look as though the Hadley Centre has changed its position.

Met Office: Climate change

I'm sure the email will be cited on dozens of blogs before long.
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Whether you are a proponent of AGW or a sceptic, you should be interested in getting certain facts right. If such a dramatic change on AGW had been made by the Hadley Centre, we might at least expect it to be highlighted on their website. Instead, the first item on the website gives a list of climate change facts, namely:

So whatever that email says, it does not look as though the Hadley Centre has changed its position.

Met Office: Climate change

I'm sure the email will be cited on dozens of blogs before long.
"whatever that email says".........

This is becoming quite a habit with you Unionist isn't it ?....

Like when you said

"there is zero evidence of any such conspiracy, whatever your frequent links to infowars and prisonplanet may say."

Mysterious death of a prominent anti-MMGW scientist

Well in my opinion of you - whatever you say doesn't matter.

How about that ?

By the way those supposed "facts" you mentioned are as false as you are.

It so obviously hyped and wrong it's laughable.

Fake 1: Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it
Yes - so we're told day in day out despite the massive scientific lack of consensus.

Fake 2: Temperatures are continuing to rise
Hmmm - no.
China has had it's coldest winter for may years, and this is the coldest April in the UK for many years - sounds more like cooling I'd say.

Fake 3: The current climate change is not just part of a natural cycle
More heresay and no evidence.

Fake 4: Recent warming cannot be explained by the Sun or natural factors alone
But it can be explained by humans. Right.....

Fake 5: If we continue emitting greenhouse gases this warming will continue and delaying action will make the problem more difficult to fix

Except that there is no problem to begin with - as the leading scientist Revelle stated Co2 emmisions would actually offset any large global tempreature variations.

Fact 6: Climate models predict the main features of future climate

Wrong. They are notoriously innacurate and misleading.
Antarctic temperatures disagree with climate model predictions
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These are opinions NOT facts they may be working thesis but are not 100% proven, much like the other lies that MMGW people peddle
Actually, you miss the point of my post, which is to say that it doesn't look as if the Hadley Centre has changed its position if it is publishing this as the first link on its home page. In other words, the email cited by Petrina looks very dubious.
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YCHTT has also chosen to argue with the Hadley Centre's points rather than deal with the issue I presented, which is the claim that the Hadley Centre has reversed its position on AGW. I am suggesting that it has not. Have you actually got any evidence to the contrary?

Also, YCHTT, in a post on another thread just now you called me blind, stupid, brainwashed or a traitor. Now you are calling me false. I thought personal attacks of that nature were not allowed. Why don't you just stick to the points in question?
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