Biofuels bring chaos on food markets

Aardvark · 10-04-2008, 02:19 PM

From Open Europe, but repeated everywhere:

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Rioting breaks out over food price rises - biofuels are to blame say World Bank, FAO, UNHCR and IMF

The FT reports that food price rises are wiping out a decade of efforts to combat global poverty, according to the World Bank, IMF and the Food and Agricultural Organisation. The organisations were unanimous that biofuels were part of the reason for the price rises, which have increased 45 percent in the past 9 months. The conclusions were echoed by Gordon Brown, who yesterday called for a review of the effect of biofuels on food prices: "For the first time in decades, the number of people facing hunger is growing." As the FAO issued another warning about the threat of social unrest in developing countries, riots have broken out in Haiti over soaring food prices, claiming five lives. Unrest is also reported in West Africa and Egypt. The BBC Today Programme reports that the army is now involved in food distribution in Bangladesh - a major food importing country. Meanwhile, AFP reports that price rises are pushing unions in Europe towards confrontation and strike action against employers.

This is a lot more serious than people realise. Bread, rice and flour in this country is up around 50%, but the CPI is still around 2.5%. With petrol going through the roof and raw materials and commodities on world markets trading at record highs it is unrealistic to believe that the low pay rises on offer will allow people to feed themselves properly.

Tax for the poorest people has gone up,utilities have increased by double figures, interest rates that people pay are not tied to the base rate any more, the country is massively in debt and there is no more equity to release as house prices fall.

Benefit, pay and pension increases are tied to CPI.

The poor in this country will soon be unable to feed themselves. We have to import and we're competing in a global market.

The world can no longer sustain the population (I admit to having been arguing this would happen within my lifetime 30 years ago).

Biofuels are green, but they are going to wipe out poor countries. Zimbabwe won't be able to feed itself, Haiti cannot feed itself, Bangla Desh is using the army to distribute food as the population has burgeoned to the extent that as a country it isn't sustainable, India is looking at food shortages, Egypt likewise etc etc.

We have to choose to have biofuels in the west, in which case millions will starve starting later this year, or carbon fuels or we have to ration everything. There are hard choices ahead. Thank God I am living in the UK.

Even here I think we're facing riots later this year if prices continue to increase at their present rate. If we can't feed our poor then there will be problems in the world that are frankly insoluble. Without both Islam and the RC church supporting mass sterilisations, free condoms, small families, mass abortions and other population control measures the world's poorest countries with rapidly growing populations will face famine of Biblical proportions.

Remember, if you're over 14 you are in the oldest 50% of the world's population.

youcanhandlethetruth · 10-04-2008, 03:57 PM

This mess has got very little to do with overpopulation.

As I've been saying for the past weeks/months, it is designed and engineered by the global elite who are artificially jacking up fuel prices.

A way to cut polution that would work

A different approach to the GW debate

I'm begging everyone to read my posts and discvoer how the elite are playing you all like a fiddle....
What are you waiting for ?
See how everything is being conspired to ruin your life and bankrupt you !

Your comment Aardvark - "The world can no longer sustain the population" is not accurate.

It is actually "The world can sustain the population but the elite want to cut the world's population" and whether you beleive it or not, they're the ones causing all these problems.

Yes there are food shortages, and there have been failed harvests, but when the price of oil is deliebrately and artificially put through the roof, then food prices are the first to suffer, given the transportation costs.

There is enough wealth, food and oil for that matter to feed everyone in this world comfortably.

The point is - food shortages and global economic collapse is being deliberately engineered against the people of the world by the elite and international bankers !

I am ashamed at you Aardvark - for someone who claims to be UKIP, either you're totally blind as to true reality or you're trying to sell people down the road to slavery.

If you are a UKIP member shouldn't you and your party be taking serious issue with all of these things rather than saying "The world cannot sustain the population" ?

TannyD · 10-04-2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

This mess has got very little to do with overpopulation.

As I've been saying for the past weeks/months, it is designed and engineered by the global elite who are artificially jacking up fuel prices.

A way to cut polution that would work

A different approach to the GW debate

I'm begging everyone to read my posts and discvoer how the elite are playing you all like a fiddle....
What are you waiting for ?
See how everything is being conspired to ruin your life and bankrupt you !

Your comment Aardvark - "The world can no longer sustain the population" is not accurate.

It is actually "The world can sustain the population but the elite want to cut the world's population" and whether you beleive it or not, they're the ones causing all these problems.

Yes there are food shortages, and there have been failed harvests, but when the price of oil is deliebrately and artificially put through the roof, then food prices are the first to suffer, given the transportation costs.

There is enough wealth, food and oil for that matter to feed everyone in this world comfortably.

The point is - food shortages and global economic collapse is being deliberately engineered against the people of the world by the elite and international bankers !

I am ashamed at you Aardvark - for someone who claims to be UKIP, either you're totally blind as to true reality or you're trying to sell people down the road to slavery.

If you are a UKIP member shouldn't you and your party be taking serious issue with all of these things rather than saying "The world cannot sustain the population" ?

So givent he position most of us are now in, what do you expect us to do?

C_steam · 10-04-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

Your comment Aardvark - "The world can no longer sustain the population" is not accurate.

It is actually "The world can sustain the population but the elite want to cut the world's population"

And the problem with wanting to reduce the world's population is what, precisely?

TannyD · 10-04-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

And the problem with wanting to reduce the world's population is what, precisely?

I don't have a problem with reducing the world's population.

youcanhandlethetruth · 10-04-2008, 06:29 PM

I think you're all sick.

Do you get some kind of sick pleasure in seeing people die ?

Don't do anything Tanny - be a slave to the new world order and lose your freedom and see your standard of standard of living nosedive - it sounds like you don't deserve to have a better life if you don't want the same for others.

Aardvark · 10-04-2008, 06:54 PM

YCHTT,

What are you doing about it?

I'm happy to accept your points about the fact that the people at the top are responsible for what is happening. I'm not sure that you can ascribe the motives you have as I tend to prefer **** up over conspiracy. At the end of the day many of the people at the top could lose a lot if the worst case scenario unfolds.

I don't think any of us get 'sick pleasure' in watching people die, but population control is about not having them born in the first place.

The fact is that the next generation are not going to all be able to live to the standard we have become accustomed as the world's resources are finite.

The overcrowded countries such as ours are not capable of producing sufficient food for their populations as it is. Most countries that are not 'full' have large areas of wilderness that in many cases are increasing in size - Gobi, Sahara etc. The Arctic/Antarctic ice might be in retreat, but the land it leaves will not be fertile for some considerable time.

Whilst much of Europe has reducing populations Central and South America, Asia, Australasia and Oceania are burgeoning. Even the USA has population pressures in some areas and a lot of the country is not arable land.

UKIP cannot force a reduction in oil prices and therefore we have to sit idly by as the whole scenario unfolds. It might be that the populace will finally wake up to how dire the situation is, but I suspect by then it will be too late.

youcanhandlethetruth · 10-04-2008, 07:29 PM

I'm just trying to educate people as to true reality of the situation.

I agree there's little we can do individually to change the world, but let's not start off on the basis of a false paradigm to begin with.

And forgive me but I was under the impression that opposition parties might actually want to learn such things in order to challenge the government and campaign on these issues ?

But what else can I do ? Join UKIP ?
They won't entertain the ideas either by the sound of it, let alone talk about them in regard to their manifesto/policies.

"population control" (which I don't necessarily agree with either) is different to "population reduction" as others have said on here.

You say "the world resources are finite" and
"The overcrowded countries such as ours are not capable of producing sufficient food for their populations as it is."

You've missed the entire point of my post - it's only artificial scarcity, yes it's difficult to talk about and prove, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about or challenged.

Again if it is a problem in this country it is the government to blame for destroying agriculture and giving the supermarkets free reign.

And ironically even if "population control" is the problem, the government are causing the problem of overcrowding in Britain with mass immigration.

My god.....
Let's all just give up and conveniently die shall we ?

Sorry Aardvark, I'm not blaming you personally and I'm just hacked off, but if UKIP can't do/say anything about it then we're up sh*t creek without a paddle.

Please Nigel, reconsider your strategy.

TannyD · 11-04-2008, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

I think you're all sick.

Do you get some kind of sick pleasure in seeing people die ?

Don't do anything Tanny - be a slave to the new world order and lose your freedom and see your standard of standard of living nosedive - it sounds like you don't deserve to have a better life if you don't want the same for others.

Number of people successfully baited:- 1!!!

*shows everyone the stainless steel shackles given to her from the alien lizards*

Like my shiny new shackles?

TannyD · 11-04-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

I'm just trying to educate people as to true reality of the situation.

I agree there's little we can do individually to change the world, but let's not start off on the basis of a false paradigm to begin with.

And forgive me but I was under the impression that opposition parties might actually want to learn such things in order to challenge the government and campaign on these issues ?

But what else can I do ? Join UKIP ?
They won't entertain the ideas either by the sound of it, let alone talk about them in regard to their manifesto/policies.

"population control" (which I don't necessarily agree with either) is different to "population reduction" as others have said on here.

You say "the world resources are finite" and
"The overcrowded countries such as ours are not capable of producing sufficient food for their populations as it is."

You've missed the entire point of my post - it's only artificial scarcity, yes it's difficult to talk about and prove, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about or challenged.

Again if it is a problem in this country it is the government to blame for destroying agriculture and giving the supermarkets free reign.

And ironically even if "population control" is the problem, the government are causing the problem of overcrowding in Britain with mass immigration.

My god.....
Let's all just give up and conveniently die shall we ?

Sorry Aardvark, I'm not blaming you personally and I'm just hacked off, but if UKIP can't do/say anything about it then we're up sh*t creek without a paddle.

Please Nigel, reconsider your strategy.

I think it's a damn good idea to cure every know disease and affliction know to man, let the number of people swell and the lifespan stretch into infinaty and beyond.
I am on your side you can handle. Don't worry I will stand by you!!!

10-04-2008, 03:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,540	Wake up people ! This mess has got very little to do with overpopulation. As I've been saying for the past weeks/months, it is designed and engineered by the global elite who are artificially jacking up fuel prices. A way to cut polution that would work A different approach to the GW debate I'm begging everyone to read my posts and discvoer how the elite are playing you all like a fiddle.... What are you waiting for ? See how everything is being conspired to ruin your life and bankrupt you ! Your comment Aardvark - "The world can no longer sustain the population" is not accurate. It is actually "The world can sustain the population but the elite want to cut the world's population" and whether you beleive it or not, they're the ones causing all these problems. Yes there are food shortages, and there have been failed harvests, but when the price of oil is deliebrately and artificially put through the roof, then food prices are the first to suffer, given the transportation costs. There is enough wealth, food and oil for that matter to feed everyone in this world comfortably. The point is - food shortages and global economic collapse is being deliberately engineered against the people of the world by the elite and international bankers ! I am ashamed at you Aardvark - for someone who claims to be UKIP, either you're totally blind as to true reality or you're trying to sell people down the road to slavery. If you are a UKIP member shouldn't you and your party be taking serious issue with all of these things rather than saying "The world cannot sustain the population" ? __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

10-04-2008, 06:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,540	I think you're all sick. Do you get some kind of sick pleasure in seeing people die ? Don't do anything Tanny - be a slave to the new world order and lose your freedom and see your standard of standard of living nosedive - it sounds like you don't deserve to have a better life if you don't want the same for others. __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

10-04-2008, 06:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,121	YCHTT, What are you doing about it? I'm happy to accept your points about the fact that the people at the top are responsible for what is happening. I'm not sure that you can ascribe the motives you have as I tend to prefer **** up over conspiracy. At the end of the day many of the people at the top could lose a lot if the worst case scenario unfolds. I don't think any of us get 'sick pleasure' in watching people die, but population control is about not having them born in the first place. The fact is that the next generation are not going to all be able to live to the standard we have become accustomed as the world's resources are finite. The overcrowded countries such as ours are not capable of producing sufficient food for their populations as it is. Most countries that are not 'full' have large areas of wilderness that in many cases are increasing in size - Gobi, Sahara etc. The Arctic/Antarctic ice might be in retreat, but the land it leaves will not be fertile for some considerable time. Whilst much of Europe has reducing populations Central and South America, Asia, Australasia and Oceania are burgeoning. Even the USA has population pressures in some areas and a lot of the country is not arable land. UKIP cannot force a reduction in oil prices and therefore we have to sit idly by as the whole scenario unfolds. It might be that the populace will finally wake up to how dire the situation is, but I suspect by then it will be too late. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

10-04-2008, 07:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,540	I'm just trying to educate people as to true reality of the situation. I agree there's little we can do individually to change the world, but let's not start off on the basis of a false paradigm to begin with. And forgive me but I was under the impression that opposition parties might actually want to learn such things in order to challenge the government and campaign on these issues ? But what else can I do ? Join UKIP ? They won't entertain the ideas either by the sound of it, let alone talk about them in regard to their manifesto/policies. "population control" (which I don't necessarily agree with either) is different to "population reduction" as others have said on here. You say "the world resources are finite" and "The overcrowded countries such as ours are not capable of producing sufficient food for their populations as it is." You've missed the entire point of my post - it's only artificial scarcity, yes it's difficult to talk about and prove, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about or challenged. Again if it is a problem in this country it is the government to blame for destroying agriculture and giving the supermarkets free reign. And ironically even if "population control" is the problem, the government are causing the problem of overcrowding in Britain with mass immigration. My god..... Let's all just give up and conveniently die shall we ? Sorry Aardvark, I'm not blaming you personally and I'm just hacked off, but if UKIP can't do/say anything about it then we're up sht creek without a paddle. Please Nigel, reconsider your strategy. __________________ Before tyranny and* television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

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