g hall

Have you noticed those that support these things never provide this makes you wonder doesn't it

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Britannist

I wonder how many people who claim to support these ugly wind turbines actually live within sight of them - very few (if any) I would imagine.

gc

Total drivel. What is your source for this statement?

allanon

Do you mean they don't produce enough energy to boil a kettle of water?

Phil Sheldon

Hold hard Sunbeam!

I wrote:AIUI-As I Understand It. I did not make any claim or quote spurious figures.
You must now quantify your statement. Post the figures/facts and/or statements that show the effective Mgw output of a wind turbine.

I can offer this:

Wind Turbine Scam
(or everything you wanted to know about wind turbines, but were afraid to ask)
by
Andrew H Mackay
aka greenheatman, aka AHM Tain
The following is based on constant rotor speed turbines and demonstrates that the industry was lying about outputs up to about five years ago. During this time the output from windfarms was a 'commercial secret' because only less than a half of the 30% was actually generated. With the advent of Doubly Fed Induction Generators the electrical power now closely follows the mechanical shaft power. This is the reason that the output is no longer a secret because, at last, the power out is close to that claimed. So the industry has got away with lying to get planning permission all those years ago.
The red line shows the electrical power output from a typical 2MW wind wind turbine with a swept area diameter of 66 metres. The violet line shows the mechanical power output available, in kW(m) at every wind speed from 4m/s to 26m/s. The green line shows the number of hours the wind blows at any particular wind speed so that the most prevalent wind speed is 5m/s and blows at that speed for around 1050 hours in a typical year.
The theoretical mechanical power developed amounts to 5,588MWh(mechanical) annually.
The electrical power converted from 5,588MWh(m) developed over the year amounts to 3,285MWh(electrical)
Therefore, the mechanical power not converted to electricity over the year amounts to 2,303MWh(m).
However, Ofgem is paying out the theoretical 5,588MWh(mechanical) and not the 3,285MWh(electrical) as any right minded person would assume. The balance of 2,303MWh(e) of 'dirty' electricity is taken off the National Grid, laundered and metered as 'green' electricity worth £47 per ROC.
Wind Turbine Scam

Also I was referring to the output of one wind turbine in isolation, not a wind farm.
I am happy to be corrected if I make an honest mistake, but don't attack me on a public forum without evidence.
Remember-Any bloody fool can criticise.

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Hold hard Sunbeam!
I wrote: AIUI. As I Understand It. I did not make any claims or quote spurious figures.

You now have to quantify your statement. Please provide any evidence/facts and/or statements to show the output of a wind turbine in isolation-not a wind farm.
I can offer this:

Wind Turbine Scam
(or everything you wanted to know about wind turbines, but were afraid to ask)
by
Andrew H Mackay
aka greenheatman, aka AHM Tain
The following is based on constant rotor speed turbines and demonstrates that the industry was lying about outputs up to about five years ago. During this time the output from windfarms was a 'commercial secret' because only less than a half of the 30% was actually generated. With the advent of Doubly Fed Induction Generators the electrical power now closely follows the mechanical shaft power. This is the reason that the output is no longer a secret because, at last, the power out is close to that claimed. So the industry has got away with lying to get planning permission all those years ago.
The red line shows the electrical power output from a typical 2MW wind wind turbine with a swept area diameter of 66 metres. The violet line shows the mechanical power output available, in kW(m) at every wind speed from 4m/s to 26m/s. The green line shows the number of hours the wind blows at any particular wind speed so that the most prevalent wind speed is 5m/s and blows at that speed for around 1050 hours in a typical year.
The theoretical mechanical power developed amounts to 5,588MWh(mechanical) annually.
The electrical power converted from 5,588MWh(m) developed over the year amounts to 3,285MWh(electrical)
Therefore, the mechanical power not converted to electricity over the year amounts to 2,303MWh(m).
However, Ofgem is paying out the theoretical 5,588MWh(mechanical) and not the 3,285MWh(electrical) as any right minded person would assume. The balance of 2,303MWh(e) of 'dirty' electricity is taken off the National Grid, laundered and metered as 'green' electricity worth £47 per ROC.
Wind Turbine Scam

I am happy to be corrected if I make an honest mistake but don't criticise me on a public forum.
Remember: Any bloody fool can criticise.

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HighlandFP

From the Black Isle here in Ross-shire, Scotland I can see a big wind farm and at Nigg on the Cromarty Firth huge wind mills are built and towed out to sea.
BBC NEWS | Scotland | Wind turbine floated to deepwater

Saw a new windmill on a lorry north of Dornoch being delivered.

dont know the economics but always believed I prefer a wind farm to a Nuklear power thingy.

Plans revealed for Nigg wind farm - Ross-shire Journal
29 May 2007 ... Ross-shire Journal: NEWS » Local News. NEW plans to build a small scale wind farm at Nigg in Easter Ross were unveiled today (Tuesday).
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Britannist

Wind turbine eyesores are ruining scenic views of countryside including in your land of Scotland.

The wind turbines cannot provide around-the-clock electricity meaning that if Scotland relied totally on them you would experience power cuts.

Electricity from wind turbines is also very expensive.

Ian C

correct & well known fact.
Scotland without wind is a rare event.

define expensive, since once installed the maintenance costs are minimal.

Ian C

agreed and usually do on this site.

Wind Turbine Scam
is itself deceptive since it makes unsupported claims of secrecy, lying and wind speeds.
The average yearly wind speed at the top of a Scottish Glen is vastly different from the riverside at Windsor.

I also believe it to be factually incorrect when refering to pole switching generators and the requirement to have a variable gearbox.