Porsche fight back: Livingstone given 14days to respond

Baron von Lotsov · 19-02-2008, 06:24 PM

More good news in the battle for sanity and fair local government. Judicial reviews are an excellent thing when you have a bit of cash and a good reason to say a piece of government is wrong in some way, as defined by centuries of case law. Congestion charging is within the scope of this process and it looks like they have a strong case. Livingstone will find out when he talks to his lawyers.

Porsche threatens legal action over £25 London congestion charge | the Daily Mail

Britannist · 19-02-2008, 07:11 PM

The sooner the awful Livingstone is out the better - he would never have introduced this £25 fine if he thought it would hit Labour voters hard.

All this 'green' politics from europhile Livingstone is just an attempt by him to try to get Green Party votes in the second round (second preference vote count) of the London Mayoral elections on 1.5.2008. He only narrowly held on to his job as Mayor of the capital in the 2004 elections.

Britannist · 19-02-2008, 07:12 PM

The sooner the awful Livingstone is out the better - he would never have introduced this £25 charge if he thought it would hit Labour voters hard.

All this 'green' politics from europhile Livingstone is just an attempt by him to try to get Green Party votes in the second round (second preference vote count) of the London Mayoral elections on 1.5.2008. He only narrowly held on to his job as Mayor of the capital in the 2004 elections.

Besoeker · 19-02-2008, 07:30 PM

I can understand why Porsche would take such a stance if they see that would damage their sales.

Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, this is about congestion charging in London. So Porsche are worried about their sales because driving their cars into London will become much more expensive. That implies that a significant number of Porsche buyers use their cars in London.

That begs the obvious question. What’s the point in buying a 160 mph supercar to drive in a place where the average speed is under 20 mph?

For the avoidance of doubt do not construe this post as either supporting the congestion charge proposals or denigrating Porsche cars.

g hall · 19-02-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

That begs the obvious question. What’s the point in buying a 160 mph supercar to drive in a place where the average speed is under 20 mph?

simple Image and proof that you are a consumer with a high level of disposable income

Roland · 19-02-2008, 09:05 PM

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As one of the world's leading car manufacturers, Porsche feels it is time to draw a line in the sand on this issue.

Maybe, just may be we're all just sick of a government that does every thing in it's power to deprive every one of their money.

We pay tax on petrol that should be the end of it.

I take it you don't drive much round London no one does it for the fun of it. They do it mainly for business.

This victimisation of motorists can't go on.

Britannist · 19-02-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

.......congestion charging in London.

Porsche may be worried that Labour might try to impose penalties on certain types of cars (such as Porsche) not just in a part of London but eventually across the whole of the UK if they can get away with it.

Livingstone would not have introduced this £25 charge if it hit his core Labour vote.

rjt · 20-02-2008, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Besoeker

I can understand why Porsche would take such a stance if they see that would damage their sales.

Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, this is about congestion charging in London. So Porsche are worried about their sales because driving their cars into London will become much more expensive. That implies that a significant number of Porsche buyers use their cars in London.

That begs the obvious question. What’s the point in buying a 160 mph supercar to drive in a place where the average speed is under 20 mph?

For the avoidance of doubt do not construe this post as either supporting the congestion charge proposals or denigrating Porsche cars.

Maybe people like that particular make of car? There must be a market for them.

John Connor · 20-02-2008, 08:53 AM

If there's going to be a congestion charge, it should be based *only* on the amount of road space a car occupies. In which case the average Porsche will pay less than a Mondeo.

And anyways, isn't there a bit in the human rights legislation about the government not being able to discriminate against people based on property?

Bess is on my ignore list, but from quotes by other people I picked up the comment:

Quote:

That begs the obvious question. What’s the point in buying a 160 mph supercar to drive in a place where the average speed is under 20 mph?

Because cars are mobile. That Porsche driving through London might also be frequently used on the autobahns in the fatherland.

This is a main problem with the anti-4x4 crowd too. They say that 4x4s have no place in London and should only be used in rural areas. Is the rural 4x4 driver to purchase another car just for the two times a year he travels to London? Because they're stupid and city-centric, these people forget that cars are mobile.

Oh, and there's the other point. Urban 4x4s and Porsche might not be needed, but we're not a commie country just yet so "each according to his need" doesn't apply. If they're wanted, then that's good enough for me.

Besoeker · 20-02-2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g hall

simple Image and proof that you are a consumer with a high level of disposable income

Exactly.
Wingeing about an increased congestion charge doesn't quite fit the image.

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19-02-2008, 07:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
Besoeker Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,837	I can understand why Porsche would take such a stance if they see that would damage their sales. Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, this is about congestion charging in London. So Porsche are worried about their sales because driving their cars into London will become much more expensive. That implies that a significant number of Porsche buyers use their cars in London. That begs the obvious question. What’s the point in buying a 160 mph supercar to drive in a place where the average speed is under 20 mph? For the avoidance of doubt do not construe this post as either supporting the congestion charge proposals or denigrating Porsche cars.