Britannist

I agree.

Many people who were immigrants to this country decades ago (mostly from Commonwealth nations) and who have never claimed benefits and who worked (and still work) long hours are rightly angry that a huge number of non-English speaking migrants are being let in from countries with no historical connection to the UK at all. Some illegal immigrants who come here sign on the dole and then use the Human Rights Act when they are told to go as a tactic to avoid deportation.

Labour is mostly to blame for this - but the last so-called 'Conservative' Government of Major is also partly responsible for the mess: europhile Major allowed at least two 'amnesties'.

Clippo

G hall wrote:-
I’ll interpret this as a tongue-in the cheek post – but in case anybody thinks it has serious possibilities read on.

The only other planet that currently there seems to be any possibility of an Earth settlement on is Mars.

The nearest Star to us is approximately 4 light years away and there hasn’t been proven to be a life-sustainable planet there or ANYWHERE in the universe yet.

Perhaps you could work out for us g hall how long it take a suitable craft to reach the nearest potential earthlike planet (if one is proven to exist at our nearest Star neighbour), at say, (let’s be generous with current technology), a million miles an hour .

g hall

It is possible with the technology to hand to seed Venus and over time a less hostile environment would emerge
The Jovian moons are also a potential target for colonisation as is Titan which is the largest satellite of Saturn

All of these are achievable targets within a century, as for the other stars until an FTL drive is discovered the only way is to build huge "Arks" and let them take their centuries to spread humanity

Alternatively we can use the resources of the Solar System and create a Ringworld or possibly a Dyson sphere but that would take a very long time

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G hall,
Although I would like to believe in them, I think these ideas are fanciful.

Then there is the problem of getting viable numbers of people, even to the solar system sites you mentioned. Who would choose who to go?

I would bet that the groups you love to hate so much – the leaders of the New World Order, (if they exist) or the very rich who you claim are still jetting around in defiance of carbon offsets – would be the first to jump Earth ship.

Hartlepool

There will be no need to go into space if what I was told thirty odd years ago becomes reality.

In 1977 an old retired French diplomat told me that the whole of Africa was in the process of being preserved for the future use of the elite and what he called "The Sindicate".

I had,and still have no idea what he meant but he was very convincing,and I believed him.

He also said that the Government (French?) had already tried to impliment some proceedures and systems but had limited results over the years.

Very interesting I thought.

kernow

John Connor, to have those thoughts you're obviously, young, healthy, single, childless and employed!?

John Connor

Yes to all those.

But, if we're being honest, we can't keep up this rate of population growth. So it's either stop people from having more than one kid (and end up like China) or remove the incentive for people to chuff out loads of kids that they can't personally afford and then expect the state to keep.

Of course, in my survival of the fittest regime, you'll be taxed less than half of what you are now. No council tax (with no replacement for it either - just abolish a few quangos and the money's there), half the fuel duty slashed, 20% top rate, etc., etc..

The whole system is distorted at the moment. Why do people need family tax credits? Because they're being taxed too much in the first place! Just lower the taxes then let everyone get on with it.

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John Connor wrote:-
If I'd have written that I'd sure I would have been called something beginning with 'F'. Take your pick.:

I note that your comments John C. are for the UK but overpopulation is 'the' problem - globally - that nobody really wants to talk about.

Short of some mass sterilization technique world wide, I doubt that any peaceful means will reduce the population in time to save us from the 'Four Horsemen'.

mkpdavies

Is there any study out there that has done some serious calculations on how many people this planet can sustain?

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I only read the climate section, but I imagine the UN's GEO report may have done.

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