British Democracy Forum
Web | Images | Groups | News | Advanced
Google
Worldwide Results UK Focused Results

Go Back   British Democracy Forum > General Politics > Environment & Energy


You can remove this advert by logging in or registering
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 13-02-2008, 04:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
Member
 
jgrabham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 294
jgrabham is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
Doesn't UKIP have a few MEPs?
For an anti-EU party, that often struck me as being a bit paradoxical.
six!!!
__________________
Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... f**k with us.

Proudly increasing my CO2 output since 2007


"I'd have no desire to penalize a man because he's worthonly fifteen dollars a week. But I'll be damned if I can see why a man worth
forty must be penalized - and penalized in favor of the one who's less
competent."
- Ayn Rand
jgrabham is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote

You can remove this advert by logging in or registering
Old 13-02-2008, 07:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
Uber Member
 
Besoeker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,982
Besoeker is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jgrabham View Post
six!!!
Fine.
Can you explain the logic of an anti-EU party having six (or any) MEPs?
Besoeker is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2008, 08:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
rjt
Uber Member
 
rjt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Aldershot
Posts: 5,380
rjt is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
Doesn't UKIP have a few MEPs?
For an anti-EU party, that often struck me as being a bit paradoxical.

No diffrent than an SNP member standing for Westminsiter or an Irish Nationalist doing the same or are you saying they should not stand either.
__________________
Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.
rjt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2008, 08:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
Uber Member
 
Akria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Grimsby, NELincs
Posts: 2,477
Party: None
Akria is just starting out
Send a message via MSN to Akria
Default

Except that there is no alternative for the SNP member or Irish nationalist.
UKIP could simply stand for Parliament.
__________________
I am getting very tired of people not reading my posts properly.
Please do not reply to me unless you are sure you have not missed out the key points I am making and key words I am using.


http://real-democracy.co.uk | Admin and proud

The commonality of mankind:
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?
Akria is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2008, 08:49 PM   #15 (permalink)
rjt
Uber Member
 
rjt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Aldershot
Posts: 5,380
rjt is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akria View Post
Except that there is no alternative for the SNP member or Irish nationalist.
UKIP could simply stand for Parliament.

Ever heard of the Scots or Northern Ireland assembly or the ROI Parliament, never heard of any of them.

What would you advise someone who did not want the UK to be in the EU to do on Euro Election day if say UKIP and some other partys did not stand?
Simply abstain and uphold the elite in power?

For the record I am not a member of UKIP although have been in the past, what you you advise me to do to make my view known at a Euro Election, Vote for Europhile partys such as Labour, Tory or Lib Dem?

What UKIP should do is not take there seats in the EU Parl, they are legitmising it by doing so, just as the IRA dont take their seats at Westminister because swearing an oath to the Queen for them legitmises the British State, I should add that is all UKIP should ever have in common with the IRA although if they had resorted to terriosm perhaps Nigel farage would be in the cabinet judging by the abomination that is the NIRE assembly.
__________________
Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

Last edited by rjt; 13-02-2008 at 08:55 PM.
rjt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2008, 09:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
Uber Member
 
Akria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Grimsby, NELincs
Posts: 2,477
Party: None
Akria is just starting out
Send a message via MSN to Akria
Default

Those assemblies are hardly feasible alternatives given their limited power in relation to the nationalist aims.

My advice would be to protest. I disagree with the viewpoint, but it would be good for a laugh to see what sort of turnout the protest would get - it might even get more than around six hundred, more than the 'mass rally' protesting against the Reform Treaty.
__________________
I am getting very tired of people not reading my posts properly.
Please do not reply to me unless you are sure you have not missed out the key points I am making and key words I am using.


http://real-democracy.co.uk | Admin and proud

The commonality of mankind:
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?
Akria is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2008, 09:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
Uber Member
 
Westcountryman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: The Westcountry.
Posts: 5,922
Party: None
Westcountryman is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
Fine.
Can you explain the logic of an anti-EU party having six (or any) MEPs?
1) Fact-finding. It's easier to understand something from the inside.

2) It's bringing British cash back to Britain.
__________________
Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."
Westcountryman is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2008, 07:38 AM   #18 (permalink)
rjt
Uber Member
 
rjt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Aldershot
Posts: 5,380
rjt is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akria View Post
Those assemblies are hardly feasible alternatives given their limited power in relation to the nationalist aims.

My advice would be to protest. I disagree with the viewpoint, but it would be good for a laugh to see what sort of turnout the protest would get - it might even get more than around six hundred, more than the 'mass rally' protesting against the Reform Treaty.

So not vote at all or do you mean spoil my paper or abstain, actually there was an effective statement made when 2 millon people recorded a vote for UKIP. I certainly believe in protest but the ballet box is a way of expressing how you feel too, I know your too young at the moment but I hope you will take the opportunity when it becomes available and I hope you will come to realise that our electoral system is a fraud which is designed to sustain the elite in power.
__________________
Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.
rjt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 14-02-2008, 09:22 PM   #19 (permalink)
Uber Member
 
youcanhandlethetruth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,379
youcanhandlethetruth is just starting out
Default

When I was young I really thought I knew it all.
You can't tell a (supposed) intellectual 16 year old he's wrong because he won't believe you until he realizes it for himself (unless of course he's only posing as 16)
youcanhandlethetruth is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Old 16-02-2008, 12:06 AM   #20 (permalink)
Member
 
jgrabham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 294
jgrabham is just starting out
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
Yes folks, you are going to fry to death. You will be nothing but a charred cinder because according to our government:


I suggest you stock up on loads of ice and have a backup fridge, which you can sit in if it gets too bad. On no account what so ever take a holiday any further south than Brighton and book early for your summer holiday in Greenland. Better still buy a one-way ticket and that way you will keep living.

Climate change soon could kill thousands in UK, says report | Politics | guardian.co.uk
Wierd, and there was me thinking the smoking was going to kill me. Or was it te terrorists blowing me up. It must have seomething to do with fire...
__________________
Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... f**k with us.

Proudly increasing my CO2 output since 2007


"I'd have no desire to penalize a man because he's worthonly fifteen dollars a week. But I'll be damned if I can see why a man worth
forty must be penalized - and penalized in favor of the one who's less
competent."
- Ayn Rand
jgrabham is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!FuzzFizz It!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:56 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This site is owned and operated by MyCartel Limited © 2007. Hosting: BookFizz.
This site supports Label My Food and Politigg
My latest commercial site: Cell Phone News 2.0 - [Mobile version]

Mobile version

Politishop

eXTReMe Tracker
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0