UK working on low carbon stratosphere jet to fly London-Sydney in 4 hrs. 40 mins

mkpdavies · 05-02-2008, 05:14 PM

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So, perhaps now you are starting to see the seriousness of the possible effects of AGW.

Not really no. I still haven't been given any real evidence that it being a bit warmer (not as much as the past) will be net bad.

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rjt · 05-02-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

1. I forgot to include in my earlier post that most sceptics claim the water vapour is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2 - and water vapour is indeed the major component of this fuel system.

2. re mpkdavies. If I didn't have overwhelming familiy ties here in the UK, I would indeed have great difficulty in choosing between Australia or NZ to emigrate to like a shot (with Canada a distant 3rd). The bad news is that if global temperatures rise by, I think, ~3 deg C much of the currently populated regions of Australia are likely to become uninhabitable.

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Au contraire, - I desperately want my children & grandchildren etc. to have as good a life as I have had but pinning my hopes on flawed technology is a waste of time. Do you not have the ability to analyse the merits & demmerits of a proposal.
No, of course not - you have only one hackneyed response - blame it on the EU. About as useful as a back-scratcher outside a diving suit.

So, even tho' this thread is 'technology based, share with us your practical proposals to get us 'out' of the EU ? Tell us how YOU propose to combat the
tax-hiking foreign powers?

I am not blaming it all on the EU but you will never get any response to tackle the problems you say need addressing if we remain in it. Unless of course you favour ecnomically backward and undemocratic soulutions of course.

Really you should be keener on leaving the EU than me.

How do you hope to see the issues you say motivate you to vote in a general election such as health and education sorted out whilst we reamin in an ecnomic straightjacket.

How to get out of the EU has been dealt with at depth in other threads if you bothered to venture out from under your safety net more often.

One thing that will not aid our leaving is if people who claim to be against it like you do vote for the three main partys, they are a coalition seeking to extingush democracy, but that is a concept you dont care much about.
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Clippo · 05-02-2008, 08:35 PM

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No but it now has a government commited to a backward looking ecnomic policy, that will hike taxes up making the economy less productive and create a subsistance culture which benefits the idle and penalises the hard working. It will also seek to weaken the ties between Australia and Britian.

What's this got to do with the problem of AGW?

Clippo · 05-02-2008, 09:12 PM

In my earlier post I asked:-

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Tell us how YOU propose to combat the tax-hiking foreign powers? (Notice the ‘YOU’ and that I didn’t specify AGW tax hiking)

In reply Rjt wrote:-

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I am not blaming it all on the EU but you will never get any response to tackle the problems you say need addressing if we remain in it. Unless of course you favour ecnomically backward and undemocratic soulutions of course.

Okay, what systems would you put into place to combat GW & how would you persuade every citizen to comply.
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Really you should be keener on leaving the EU than me.

Why, & how can you compare keen-ness?
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How do you hope to see the issues you say motivate you to vote in a general election such as health and education sorted out whilst we reamin in an ecnomic straightjacket.

I thought that the UK economy has consistently been only 2nd to Germany in the EU. Hasn’t seemed to be a very good straightjacket to me. Give me some facts & figures to support your contentions.
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How to get out of the EU has been dealt with at depth in other threads if you bothered to venture out from under your safety net more often.

Perhaps I have ventured more often that you think. All I’ve seen is whingeing about how bad the EU is and how we must get out. And always it is expecting someone else to do it for you. And then there’s the dog/master-like devotion to anti-EU parties such as UKIP who have achieve ZILCH, or the waffle of Christopher Booker who has practically achieved ZILCH.

I asked YOU what YOU would do to combat the EU – how do you propose to get elected or start & maintain an anti EU crusade ?.

You (& Britannist) are bigger fools that you portray yourselves to be (if that’s possible) if you think your constant whingeing and critical innuendo are going to advance the EU cause by even a millimetre.

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One thing that will not aid our leaving is if people who claim to be against it like you do vote for the three main partys, they are a coalition seeking to extingush democracy, but that is a concept you dont care much about.

You really don’t have any concept of how wrong you are on this point.

The reality, rjt is that in order to leave the EU the UK needs a majority of MPs in Westminster to start this process. There is no way, imo, any of the minor parties (or even an alliance of anti EU parties) will get into power (or even get 1 MP) on the ant-EU issue. So, therefore you have to vote for the party which you think will deliver the promise. Even if a vote is allowed on the new ‘constitution’, and it is rejected, that’s still a million miles away from tearing up all the previous treaties.

NoMoreEUSSR · 06-02-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rjt

No but it now has a government commited to a backward looking ecnomic policy, that will hike taxes up making the economy less productive and create a subsistance culture which benefits the idle and penalises the hard working. It will also seek to weaken the ties between Australia and Britian.

The state governments have been Labor for eons, and there are no signs of economic disaster in the normal sense, apart from massive inflation. Australia's economy tends to be more closely tied to commodities than anything else. Also, if the new federal government does in fact reverse the centralizing tendencies of the previous régime - a mighty big if - then the federal influence on local and state politics will be rightfully diminished.

IMO there should have been a sunset clause imposed when the states ceded their tax-levying powers to Canberra during WW2.

I'd take the likes of Kevin Rudd or Helen Clark over any slimeball neo-Maoist-Stalinist EU politician any day ending in a Y, but then again, that could be like suggesting cyanide is preferable to strychnine?

NoMoreEUSSR · 06-02-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

If/when this comes off, people may decide Australia is not that far away and decide to emigrate there.

The biggest modern barrier to emigration (immigration) is not the distance but the Border controls. However, many on this forum, myself included, no matter what our personal views on immigration/Borders, believe that a sovereign country has a right to its own immigration policy, however strict. And such policies can and do carry real human consequences.

That could be a key reason why Australia, NZ, Canada and even the US to some extent are still relatively emptyish: very hard to immigrate legally. Personally, I will eventually likely settle in Australia permanently via the spouse visa.

Technological innovation, whatever, of course it has to be a "low carbon" stratosphere jet to satisfy the PC pro-AGW brigade. :roll:

rjt · 06-02-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

rjt wrote:-

What's this got to do with the problem of AGW?

If you beleive in AGW then you need governments to have forward and flexiable looking ecnomic policys. Unless of course you favour massive taxation hikes and penalising industry.

rjt · 06-02-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

In my earlier post I asked:-

In reply Rjt wrote:-

Okay, what systems would you put into place to combat GW & how would you persuade every citizen to comply.
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Why, & how can you compare keen-ness?
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I thought that the UK economy has consistently been only 2nd to Germany in the EU. Hasn’t seemed to be a very good straightjacket to me. Give me some facts & figures to support your contentions.
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Perhaps I have ventured more often that you think. All I’ve seen is whingeing about how bad the EU is and how we must get out. And always it is expecting someone else to do it for you. And then there’s the dog/master-like devotion to anti-EU parties such as UKIP who have achieve ZILCH, or the waffle of Christopher Booker who has practically achieved ZILCH.

I asked YOU what YOU would do to combat the EU – how do you propose to get elected or start & maintain an anti EU crusade ?.

You (& Britannist) are bigger fools that you portray yourselves to be (if that’s possible) if you think your constant whingeing and critical innuendo are going to advance the EU cause by even a millimetre.

You really don’t have any concept of how wrong you are on this point.

The reality, rjt is that in order to leave the EU the UK needs a majority of MPs in Westminster to start this process. There is no way, imo, any of the minor parties (or even an alliance of anti EU parties) will get into power (or even get 1 MP) on the ant-EU issue. So, therefore you have to vote for the party which you think will deliver the promise. Even if a vote is allowed on the new ‘constitution’, and it is rejected, that’s still a million miles away from tearing up all the previous treaties.

You cant and should not be forcing people to comply.

Policys to tackle this percieved problem ( Percieved by some) should be based on incentives not penalising industry and the homeowner.

Do you really think Britian has got a strong economy, we are billons in debt!, Look at Northern Rock!, our whole econoimy is based on credit. We have a depndancy culture which keeps people relaint on handouts, that is not a strong economy.

In the long term yes a majority at Westminister would probably be needed although a vote against the Lisbon Treaty would create a momentum in the right direction. However in the short term a few anti EU MPS could influence a hung Parliament considerably.

Your negative attitude dismissing smaller partys is typical of the elite in this country, UKIP for example won 12 seats in the Euro Elections, The Greens won 2, In The GE indepndants showed it is possible to win seats. So you just go and sustain the eleite in power, hardly susprising given your views.

Britannist · 06-02-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

If/when this comes off, people may decide Australia is not that far away and decide to emigrate there.

Many already are from what I hear - the state of South Australia (i.e. capital Adelaide) is on a recruitment drive at the moment. It is titled (allegedly) "s**** Staines."

More on this at:

Australia aims to lure Britons - Times Online

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