Is it worth the risk ….

Clippo · 02-02-2008, 06:58 PM

Is it worth the risk …. of believing anything the AGW sceptics propose?

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My experience helped me to see how isolated and fragile the Earth really is. It was also beautiful. It was the only object in the entire universe that was neither black & white. Frank Borman (Apollo 8)

mkpdavies · 03-02-2008, 09:18 AM

Was he blind?

Clippo · 03-02-2008, 03:14 PM

mpkdavies wrote:-

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Was he blind?

Evidentally not from the wording of his statement.

mkpdavies · 03-02-2008, 06:51 PM

Colour blind at least if he thinks the earth is the only thing in the universe that is "neither black & white", if by & he means nor.

g hall · 03-02-2008, 07:02 PM

Probably the limited view he had and the Earthshine would have drowned a lot of other things out

mkpdavies · 03-02-2008, 07:34 PM

Well he did say the entire Universe. If he couldn't actually see any of it, then it was a bit of a **** comment.

Clippo · 03-02-2008, 08:46 PM

Mpkdavies,

If you were one of those select humans to have travelled to the moon and seen the Earth from that viewpoint - and just separated from the enormity of the universe by a flimsy spacecraft, - amuse us by what would you might have said. (no ........'fascists' allowed please).

mkpdavies · 03-02-2008, 09:07 PM

I'm suprised you aren't demanding all space flight cease to be honest. Lots of co2 creation doing it.

Here is what I would have said.

"I wonder if the co2 this rocket is giving off will create Universal Warming"

tito · 03-02-2008, 11:39 PM

Right, and the risk of destroying whole economies outweighs this how?

If you lot are right, we are ****** regardless.

Clippo · 04-02-2008, 09:00 AM

Mpkdavies wrote:-

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I'm suprised you aren't demanding all space flight cease to be honest. Lots of co2 creation doing it.

Here is what I would have said.

"I wonder if the co2 this rocket is giving off will create Universal Warming"

A few technical inaccuracies there I think. According to various records, Apollo 8 flew in 1968 – when understanding of CO2 induced global or even universal warming was restricted to a very few meteorological scientists.
Secondly, the rocket fuel was almost certainly not ‘carbon’ based.

I distinctly remember at this time, some dear lady in the USA blaming these rockets for tearing holes in some mythical earth enclosure and causing most of the ills of modern society. Apparently she then went into some sort of trance, waved her arms in the air & uttered some mumbo-jumbo spell and declared she had repaired the hole by some sort of telekinetic ‘knitting process’.

(but was getting a bit fed up !!)

Tito wrote:-

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Right, and the risk of destroying whole economies outweighs this how?

If you lot are right, we are ****** regardless.

You don’t appear to understand the situation. Several scenarios of the effects of AGW on the world have been put forward by the real experts. The extreme one, which you are blithely & incorrectly assuming ‘us lot’ say is the most probable, would lead to a mass extinction to rival the one at the end of the Permian geological period.
I would suggest that most of ‘us lot’ don’t want that to happen but consider unrestrained consumption of all the earths resources, to selfishly sustain ‘libertarian’ freedoms, is rapidly increasing the probability that it will.

I think it was Carl Sagan who said words to the effect :-

The probability that there are other Earth-like planets in the universe is quite high and therefore so is the probability of life ‘as-we-know-it-Jim’. However, there is only one place in the universe that we are certain that life exists. (guess where ???? nb my brackets)

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Clippo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,856	Mpkdavies, If you were one of those select humans to have travelled to the moon and seen the Earth from that viewpoint - and just separated from the enormity of the universe by a flimsy spacecraft, - amuse us by what would you might have said. (no ........'fascists' allowed please).

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