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Old 27-01-2008, 05:02 PM   #61 (permalink)
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As relevant as any other organisation,
Fine. Why not solicit the views of say, Camera or maybe the Latin American Association? Or maybe the Morris Ring.
Put another way, if you wanted relevant advice on how to care for your bougainvilleas you generally wouldn't call a plumber.
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as it proves he is intelligent

It proves (or maybe not) that he is a senior member of the IEEE.
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and his opinion should be respected.

Shouldn't everyone's?
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Old 27-01-2008, 05:24 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Old 27-01-2008, 05:27 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Yep even Al Gore's.
I said respected, not accepted of course.
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Old 27-01-2008, 06:26 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Thank you for your reply Clippo - the quotes you use in the part of you last posting to this thread where you refer to the degree of another poster are, of course, just extracts and not the whole text. Did you not congratulate the poster for gaining his degree only after being criticised for making a negative remark about his degree?
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No, on 2 counts.
1. If you had read carefully my sequence of quotations that I posted in #31, & repeated in post #54, you will see clearly that my first sentence, in my first post on the ‘personal announcement thread, clearly and unequivocally sincerely congratulated rjt getting his degree. This is clearly before any alleged, ( to use one of your favourite words), negative remarks by me.
2. I asked you to provide direct evidence that I have denigrated his degree (post #53). Since you have not done that, (hardly surprising since to my recollection I haven’t), the latter part of the bolded quote above is therefore a ‘slander’. I will accept your apology if you can bear to make it.

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I think we have an unspoken rule here that we don't mention any alleged spelling mistakes or typing errors made by others.
You think wrongly. I suggest you contact, for example, moderator C_Steam, (who has infinitely more authority than you here).
I suggest him because I’m fairly certain he knows nothing about ‘your’ rules ( acting as Mr Big again )

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If people cannot see past my literacy problems which are partly due to a medical reason than I would not wish to work for anyone who is so bigoted that they cannot see the person behind them. Only ignorant people who are convienced they know best about everything would make such a judgement. You should know because at times regretably you display these unatractive traits in abundance.

Life experience is what shapes and rounds us as people Clippo, I am sorry you take such a dim view of it, I am glad I have had a wide range of experiences both good and bad. It saves me from taking refuge behind qualifications and theroys.
I am indeed sorry for your medical condition (and unlike comments made about my qualifications, I will believe you of it unconditionally). However, I repeat that my comments were sincerely meant, for the reasons I gave.

It may be that you cannot afford a word processing package which has spelling & grammar checker in, like MS Word, (which I try to use for all but the shortest posts). However, there are free word processing packages available to download from the Internet – I believe one such is OpenOffice (.org).

I don’t take a dim view of life’s experiences – on the contrary I appreciate the rich and varied ones I have had in my own life. Furthermore, I have never claimed that I know best about either everything or even GW here.
What I do claim is, based on my experiences of life, is that the ‘best’ person doesn’t always get the reward. Presentation & ‘spin’ have become, regrettably, more important than ‘quality’. That’s life I’m afraid.
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Old 28-01-2008, 09:55 AM   #65 (permalink)
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....a ‘slander’.
The word 'slander' cannot be used regarding something in writing - I think the word you are looking for is libel.
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I asked you to provide direct evidence that I have denigrated his degree...
Clippop: What I actually wrote is that you made mean remarks about the degree of the poster who you are referring to.

And you did write mean remarks about the new degree of the poster: you claimed his degree was not as suited as yours to discussion of climate change matters. This is not a nice comment to write to someone who has just been awarded a degree after years of hard work in studying. It is also a mean remark to make just before Christmas in the season of goodwill.

I do wish you would stop going about the spelling or qualifications of the poster you disagree with on this subject - I notice that you do not appear to criticise the degree or spelling of those who you agree with on this subject. When people agree with you on this issue, you do not even mention their spelling or qualifications.
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I suggest you contact, for example, moderator C_Steam, (who has infinitely more authority than you here).
I thought that you took the view that you are in charge of this section of the forum.
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I’m fairly certain he knows nothing about ‘your’ rules ( acting as Mr Big again....
I referred to unspoken rules and not official rules.

It is clearly obvious for all who have manners that it is rude to make negative comments about the qualifications of another on a public forum and it is also 'not the done thing' to bring up the matter of the spelling of another poster on a public forum.

Clippo: Are you the sort of person who tells someone else to put out their cigarette by any chance?
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I will accept your apology if you can bear to make it.
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Now that the silly season has subsided,......

Gimlet wrote (post # 4):-

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The conclusion that a doubling of CO2 will have little effect has been known for a few years, all that seems to have changed is to reduce the effect.
You are mistaken in accepting this conclusion.

A comprehensive study of attempts to estimate climate sensitivity can be found here:-
Climate sensitivity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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This value is estimated, by the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report as likely to be in the range 2 to 4.5°C with a best estimate of about 3°C, and is very unlikely to be less than 1.5°C. Values substantially higher than 4.5°C cannot be excluded, but agreement of models with observations is not as good for those values.
Interestingly, Climateprediction.net did one of those similations like the SETI project – using idle-time in participating home computers and came up with a range of less than 2° C to more than 11 °C, - however, the most reliable simulations suggested a figure of 3 deg C. i.e. supporting the IPCC. Worryingly, only very few predicted less than 2 deg C.
(see also the footnote)

So, interested to see how came to his conclusion, I noticed this at the tail end of the pdf. :-

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Recently he had trouble understanding how a rise of carbon dioxide, or any substance, in the atmosphere from such low values as 0.035 percent could have such an overly large influence on the Earth’s future temperature as some predict. So he decided to read and learn about this from the perspective of an individual with a technical background, but not in the field of climate.

After a few infrared measurements on summer nights showed that the amount of heat being radiated from the atmosphere was much less than some climate models predicted, he began an intensive study resulting in his own computer simulations based on available atmospheric data and well known laws of infrared physics.

While weather predictions and long-term climate and very complex and beyond the author’s expertise, he feels the single issue of heat absorption and radiation due to carbon dioxide is much simpler, well understood, and better modeled and
measured as proposed here. For reasons explained in the report, he went from being
unknowledgeable to skeptical to now very doubtful about a harmful future temperature rise due to increased carbon dioxide levels.
‘Scuse me, I need to nip out to check if the Moon is in it’s correct position …..

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A global warming of about 5 deg C or above is widely regarded as being catastrophic – comparable to average temperatures estimated to be responsible for the last two Mass Extinctions. A rise to about 3 deg C is considered very dangerous because of the risk of unstoppable positive feedbacks like methane hydrate releases.
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