Carbon Heat Trapping: Merely A Bit Player in Global Warming

Clippo · 23-01-2008, 12:35 PM

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Sometimes one honestly wishes you would not, there is a wide ranging debate to be had in this country and people in authority who think like you seem to wish to stiffle it. One wonders what you purpose is on this forum.

You keep saying things like this rjt and it only reflects badly on the credibility of your opinions and your paranoia about not being able to accept truths from other people. It is you who wish to stifle open discussion.

I am completely in favour of a wide ranging debate. Where you, (and your small band of deluded associates), and I differ, is that the scientific debate over GW and the causes of the current phase of global warming is basically over. For the consensus of scientists, the consensus of religious leaders, the consensus of world politicians and most surveys suggest the consensus of the world population, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour that there is GW and it is mostly caused by mankind’s activities.

So, my opinion is that the debate should be about what mankind needs to do to reverse the situation.

I repeat again that I’m am anti-EU, mostly on the point that British laws and taxes should be generated from our own Westminster parliament. However, I am not against detailed co-operation with any country, but particularly the European ones individually or as ‘groups’, to harmonise all sorts of aspects of our national systems.

rjt · 23-01-2008, 12:41 PM

I dont recall mentioning the EU in my last post.

Have a look at your remarks about consensus again they are very revealing who is it you are talking about?

Like you I am not against us co-operating in the British National Intrest, my vote at the next GE will reflect that, I doubt yours will.

Clippo · 23-01-2008, 07:24 PM

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Have a look at your remarks about consensus again they are very revealing who is it you are talking about?

I suspect I know, but which group in my previous post do you have a problem with ?

rjt · 26-01-2008, 07:17 AM

Well lets take them one at a time, world leaders? Do you really trust any of them, have a look at any country in the world and see how currupt and democratically bankrupt it is.

Britannist · 26-01-2008, 07:27 AM

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I am completely in favour of a wide ranging debate...

...Are you?

Britannist · 26-01-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Oh - we are back to qualifications again are we? If your qualification has nothing to do with science then it is inferior to one that does so there!!!! You really are acting in a ghastly way.

I am sure Clippo will agree with me that he would accept willingly the views of someone he met, say, at work who happened to agree with his views on this subject and that he would not ask them about their qualifications.

Because Clippo would willingly accept that the person who agrees with him was capable of forming a considered opinion even if they had no formal qualifications at all in science or in any other area.

So, I have to say, therefore, that I do wonder why Clippo thinks it is fair to only question those who disagree with him on this subject about their qualifications.

I get the impression that if someone agrees with him on this matter, Clippo will take the view that what qualifications (if any) they have are not relevant but if someone does not agree with him on this subject he believes that the qualifications (if any) of the person opposing his view are relevant.

Not a very fair approach from Clippo on this subject.

Besoeker · 26-01-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Oh we are back to qualifications again are we, if your qualification has nothing to do with science then it is inferior to one that does so there!!!!

Perhaps you misunderstood Clippo's post.

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I’m not a wannabe scientist – I actually am one (have a higher degree in a scientific subject not unrelated to the CO2 problem of the subject) from a highly regarded British University.

Besoeker · 26-01-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

I am sure Clippo will agree with me that he would accept willingly the views of someone he met, say, at work who happened to agree with his views on this subject and that he would not ask them about their qualifications.

Because Clippo would willingly accept that the person who agrees with him was capable of forming a considered opinion even if they had no formal qualifications at all in science or in any other area.

So, I have to say, therefore, that I do wonder why Clippo thinks it is fair to only question those who disagree with him on this subject about their qualifications.

I get the impression that if someone agrees with him on this matter, Clippo will take the view that what qualifications (if any) they have are not relevant but if someone does not agree with him on this subject he believes that the qualifications (if any) of the person opposing his view are relevant.

Not a very fair approach from Clippo on this subject.

Actually, the subject of qualifications was brought up by MKPDavies in post #3. Was that a very fair approach?

Britannist · 26-01-2008, 08:59 AM

Unfortunately, Besoeker, this thread is not the first one in which Clippo has brought up the question of the qualifications of those who disagree with him (but not when they agree with him) on this subject.

Hartlepool · 26-01-2008, 09:23 AM

Qualifications waved around on a forum mean nothing because they are not available for scrutiny.

Anyone can claim any qualification they wish to on a forum,it means exactly nothing.

23-01-2008, 12:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,155	I dont recall mentioning the EU in my last post. Have a look at your remarks about consensus again they are very revealing who is it you are talking about? Like you I am not against us co-operating in the British National Intrest, my vote at the next GE will reflect that, I doubt yours will. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

26-01-2008, 07:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,155	Well lets take them one at a time, world leaders? Do you really trust any of them, have a look at any country in the world and see how currupt and democratically bankrupt it is. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

26-01-2008, 08:59 AM	#19 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Thread, question, qualifications, disagree, subject Unfortunately, Besoeker, this thread is not the first one in which Clippo has brought up the question of the qualifications of those who disagree with him (but not when they agree with him) on this subject.

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26-01-2008, 09:23 AM	#20 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,443	Qualifications waved around on a forum mean nothing because they are not available for scrutiny. Anyone can claim any qualification they wish to on a forum,it means exactly nothing.