Britannist

You're a fine one to talk.

Stop spamming this anti-EU forum with dull, dreary, lightweight, ill-informed dirge about alleged climate change which is of interest to hardly anyone here. You have persuaded not one single person on this forum to support your views on this matter - although (as I wrote earlier) what with your unpleasant attitude and hollow arguments on this subject are actually making more and more readers who were previously neutral on the issue of alleged climate change switch to backing the global warming sceptics.

Britannist

I thought that was coming - "Clippo", the europhile troll spamming this anti-EU forum with dirge from the EU-backed campaign against global warming, writes sarcastic comments about the leader of the biggest anti-EU political party in the UK.

No one should be surprised really, after all: Clippo is a supporter of the EU (although he has posed here in this forum as being anti-EU) and he has now got so hot under the collar at being exposed as a europhile troll that he now loses his temper and starts getting sarcastic about the leader of anti-EU UKIP. He is finding it harder and harder to hide his pro-EU views the more his postings about alleged climate change are rightly and soundly ridiculed.

As for Clippo mentioning the'the Holy Father'. I strongly disapprove of using the name of the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in this way - another sign of the bad manners of the europhile troll using the name of "Clippo" when posting to this anti-EU forum.

At least Mr. Farage is an elected politician with votes behind him who has not lost any election he has contested. Unlike Clippo's hero - Gore: a man who lost the 2000 American Presidential election; who is not a scientist or climate specialist and who (unlike Mr. Farage) has no votes behind him at all.

rjt

I think if Mr Gore really beleived in what he said he would stand in the elections next year and then would see what sort of mandate he recieved.

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(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

rjt

The point is Clippo that the whole decision making process when taking these decisions is underpinned by a lack of democracy. You praised the Bali deal and I understand why you would do so but I ask you again do you think it is right that foreign powers are negoiating on beahlf of Britian, that these powers have no accountablity to the British people.

The time has come for you to answer, I fear you may not because you dare not answer, do you think it is right that an unaccountable body takes decisions of such importance for a nation State? If the answer is no then why are you not speaking out agaisnt it, I fear if the Eu had vetoed the Bali deal your response would have been to say how disgusting it was, perhaps you are prepared to go along with the EU if it delivers what you want and sod democarcy?

I think a lot of froum members deserve answers to this question, if you are not intrested in democracy then people will question what you are doing here.

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Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

Clippo

OK rjt, (and Britannist take note very carefully):-
rjt wrote:-
With respect to the part of the first para. that I have emboldened, this is the nth time you have implied this. So whose the spammer?
As in one of the other threads where you have spammed this, I ask you to reconsider whether this is factually correct for you're own credibility. If you think it is, please provide unequivocal proof that this is the case.

I think I’ve have answered this clearly enough before. However, I will try to repeat this for some of you who may not have understood. (I also promise to answer these questions without malice aforethought).

We are bound by international ‘Law’ through treaties that we have signed with ‘foreign’ powers. I never personally acquiesced to the signing of those treaties, (and wouldn’t have if I’d been given the opportunity), but because of the system of democracy that has developed in this country, when you vote for a politician, you essentially give him/her the rights of a ‘trustee’ rather than a ‘delegate’. (If you don’t understand the difference I suggest you spend some time reading some very elementary books on political systems). But in plain & simple terms you give that MP the right to vote on what he/she thinks is correct on the trusting assumption it is the same as your views.

That is our political system. Full stop. It is one form of Democracy – (I believe one poster here, & who may be an AGW sceptic, has a regular ‘Churchill’ quote extolling the virtues of our democracy) – which many other countries have similarly adopted.

If you don’t agree with the decisions taken on your behalf by those MPs, they are ‘accountable to YOU at election time.

So instead of ranting & spamming on this forum, perhaps you should consider what YOU could actually DO about it, instead of waffling. I suggest you stand as a prospective MP for UKIP and then see if your arguments persuade enough rational people to vote for you.

So, fast forward to the EU delegation at Bali. You have not convinced me that ‘foreign powers are negoiating on beahlf of Britian,’ (sic). As I said in an earlier post, the British minister for the Environment was personally present at the Bali conference as almost certainly were British advisers to him. For all I know, HE may have been negotiating for the foreign powers.

Do some research and uncover what Britain’s real role was in the Bali conference. If you still think we were subservient to others, please provide convincing documentary proof.

Now stop being a tiresome little oik and answer some of my questions pertinent to the subject of this sub forum please:-

Do you believe that the current phase of global warming is real?

rjt

Do we take it from that there are no circumstances in which you would vote Lab, Con, Lib Dem or any other party that supports these treatys?

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Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.