Sceptics on the run pt2

Clippo · 07-12-2007, 08:59 AM

US on defensive at climate talks
from:- US on defensive at climate talks - AOL News

some extracts:-

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The position of the Bush administration - that technology, private investment and economic growth rather than mandatory emissions cuts will save the planet from global warming - is taking a beating this week at a UN climate change conference in Indonesia.

The public defeats for the US stance, coupled with mounting warnings from scientists and others that only decisive action will control rising temperatures, have cast the Americans as wayward sons who need to wake up and join the rest of the world.

"I think the US will be judicious enough to accept the changes of atmosphere," said Indonesian environment minister Rachmat Witoelar, the host of the conference. "I don't think we should pressure them. They will come by themselves."

mkpdavies · 07-12-2007, 11:54 AM

It's almost like what is being demanded here is a New World Order isn't it.

Is that what you want Clippo? A New World Order, centrally controlled and fascist to make sure everyone toes the line?

I guess that's why you don't like the EU. Why bother, why not just jump to endgame?

Clippo · 07-12-2007, 07:42 PM

mpkdavies wrote:-

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Is that what you want Clippo? A New World Order, centrally controlled and fascist to make sure everyone toes the line?

I guess that's why you don't like the EU.

I'm sorry, but I'm confused about your logic here. Other posters have accused me of being pro-EU, (the EU being some sort of fascist/communist/any conspiracy using Global warming as a device to frighten everybody into slavery). Now you're saying I'm anti-EU. Make up your mind please.

Whenever, something is posted here that reflects the consensus of scientists & world governments you sceptics descend into laughable conspiracy drivel - because you can't accept that your views have been proved scientifically incorrect and that you yourselves are the victims of the biggest con in recent times (by US big business).
'Critical' questioning of scientific issues is the life blood of progress, but AGW, even GW, sceptics abandoned that approach years ago and are now an insignificant 'sect' in the march of human progress.

What I want, (in relation to Climate Change) is a rational approach to the impending unpleasant changes in the Earths climate. I say it has to be be international because most nations, (certainly not the UK or EU), is going to go it alone and make a significant difference. Of course if the USA / China/ India etc., went it alone then they each would make some reasonable impact.
But your rantings about New World Orders are politico-babble. Just because the UN are trying to get agreement on action which will affect everybody on the planet, that doesn't make them the New World Order.

If you can see the USA, China, Russia etc etc etc. being 'ordered' to do things by the UN then I suggest some eye & brain tests are in order.

mkpdavies · 08-12-2007, 09:55 AM

You used to say you were anti-EU, but if you are going to confirm you are now pro-EU, then that would be useful.

Either way, you believe in one world government.

If you are happy to ingnore the many people who have said they are working for a "New World Order", including George HW Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and many others, then that just proves that enviromental fascism isn't the only area of delusion you specialise in.

Clippo · 08-12-2007, 10:57 AM

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....... the many people who have said they are working for a "New World Order", including George HW Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and many others, ......

Give me times / places / exact summaries etc. of their statements so that I can compare if their 'New World Order' is the same as your crazy delusions.

PS. Read my lips - I am anti-EU

PPS. Since the proposed policies of the Tory party, the Liberal party and possibly a host of minor ones in this country, are all designed to cut CO2 emissions, and the switch in Australia to Kyoto, does that mean you should include them in your fantasies of world domination? Why not go the extra mile and include everybody except the few deluded GW sceptics left ?

mkpdavies · 08-12-2007, 12:27 PM

Here you are. Google is your friend BTW.

YouTube - New World Order

YouTube - Gordon Brown New World Order Speech

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Pope calls for new world order Vatican City
January 2, 2004

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Pope John Paul rang in the new year yesterday with a renewed call for peace in the Middle East and Africa and the creation of a new world order based on respect for the dignity of man and equality among nations.
The Pope presided over a morning Mass at St Peter's Basilica to mark the World Day of Peace, which the Catholic Church celebrates every January 1. He appeared in good form, delivering his homily in a strong and clear voice.
This year the Pope directed his thoughts to continuing conflicts around the globe.
But he stressed that to bring about peace, there needed to be a new respect for international law and the creation of a "new international order" based on the goals of the United Nations.
He lamented continuing violence between Israel and the Palestinians and offered prayers for his ambassador to Burundi, Archbishop Michael Courtney, who was killed this week.

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Sarkozy Calls for “New World Order” at UN

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September 27th, 2007

Via: eux.tv:
World powers turned to the United Nations on Tuesday to resolve protracted problems that have defied solutions, from climate change to the equal distribution of wealth and human rights issues.
US President George W Bush urged the UN to uphold the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the document that led to other human rights conventions over the past 60 years dealing with the freeing of people from tyranny, violence, hunger and diseases.
“As we gather for this 62nd General Assembly, the standards of the declaration must guide our work in the world,” Bush said.
“The mission of the United Nations requires liberating people from tyranny and violence,” Bush told the body, in which many governments had disagreed with his policy in Iraq and global anti-terror campaign.
France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy, in his first appearance before the assembly, called on the UN to avail itself as an instrument for a “new world order of the 21st century.”
“In the name of France, I call upon all states to join ranks in order to found the new world order of the 21st century on the notion that the common goods that belong to all of humankind must be the common responsibility for us all,” he told the General Assembly.

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Gorbachev Calls for "New World Order"

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va., October 6, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Mikhail Gorbachev, the former Soviet leader who has promoted one-world government under the guise of "global governance", called Tuesday for a "new world order" that will be based on strong adherence to international law.

Gorbachev, speaking to the 91st annual Insurance Leadership Forum, said the new world order he is advancing should adhere to international law, rely heavily on the United Nations and not seek to impose the views of one country or a group of countries on others. He said the new order should be more stable, more just and more humane. It will not deny the cultural and ethnic diversity in the world, and it will not ignore environmental challenges, he said.

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African Leader Calls For 'New World Order' at UN MeetingMiddle East North Africa Financial Network

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NEW YORK: Qatar's First Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister H H Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem bin Jabor Al Thani stressed the urgency of establishing a new world order leading to an equitable distribution of wealth, nationally and internationally.

Addressing the annual coordinating meeting of foreign ministers of the G77 and China, held in conjunction with the 58th Session of the UN General Assembly on Thursday, the Minister thanked the group for choosing Qatar to lead the group in 2004.

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This was by far the most important speech Tony Blair has ever made.
His address to the Labour faithful in Brighton effectively declared war on another state, it attempted to set out his own political ideology more coherently than ever before, and it looked forward to a new world order based on a sense of community.
He suggested that the new unity being forged in the wake of the US attacks could be used to tackle conflicts as wide-ranging as those in Africa, Northern Ireland and the Middle East. And he was clearly implying that he could play a leading part in that transformation of the global scene.

Just a coincidence I'm sure, nothing to worry about. The forming of the building blocks towards this NWO, IE the EU, NAU, AU etc are just figments of my immagination.

A global roll out of ID cards etc are just imaginary or coincidental too. No planning behind the scenes, honest.

Afterall, none of the powermongers in the past have tried to esablish global empires based on their control have they. Oh no, nothing to be concerned about here, move along. It's all for the good of the people, just as always happened.

Clippo · 08-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Their versions of a New World Order don't compare with your crazed versions.

mkpdavies · 08-12-2007, 03:37 PM

Oh, so the high tax society, with cameras all over the place, ID cards, fines for farting, bans on doing things in your own private property, removal of democracy, etc etc are just figments of my imagination too eh.

Just ignore the evidence at hand and trust the powermongers fully. Yes that has always worked well in the past. No wars, no abuse of the people ever before.

I now full understand how the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots etc get into power now. That reason is people like you.

Clippo · 09-12-2007, 12:21 PM

So you're basically saying that all the worlds governments, of every political shade, are working together to create one ‘template’ to govern their respective populations or are planning one organisation ( e.g the UN) to govern the world’s population.

Dear dear me !!!! – mpkd’s mouth open but brain long flown away to cloud cuckoo land!

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad – I’m afraid I can’t mock the afflicted

I don’t see any evidence of these plots either in the subject of this thread. I see from reports coming out from the Bali conference that China has basically said it will not cut emissions and the US has said it will not agree to target cuts – instead it will come up with another of its’ own schemes in about 6 months. Not much concerted action to suppress the masses there !!!

PS - if you disagree with, say, the UK government, persuade enough people to vote them out. Although I fear your type of debating arguments won't go down well with sensible voters.

cookie65 · 09-12-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

mpkdavies wrote:-

PS. Read my lips - I am anti-EU

So you are anti-EU and believe in AGW. In your view then are the EU right to use its funds (from us) to research, promote and implement measures aimed at reducing CO2 emissions

07-12-2007, 11:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	It's almost like what is being demanded here is a New World Order isn't it. Is that what you want Clippo? A New World Order, centrally controlled and fascist to make sure everyone toes the line? I guess that's why you don't like the EU. Why bother, why not just jump to endgame? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

08-12-2007, 09:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	You used to say you were anti-EU, but if you are going to confirm you are now pro-EU, then that would be useful. Either way, you believe in one world government. If you are happy to ingnore the many people who have said they are working for a "New World Order", including George HW Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and many others, then that just proves that enviromental fascism isn't the only area of delusion you specialise in. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

08-12-2007, 03:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Oh, so the high tax society, with cameras all over the place, ID cards, fines for farting, bans on doing things in your own private property, removal of democracy, etc etc are just figments of my imagination too eh. Just ignore the evidence at hand and trust the powermongers fully. Yes that has always worked well in the past. No wars, no abuse of the people ever before. I now full understand how the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots etc get into power now. That reason is people like you. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-12-2007, 12:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Clippo Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 2,089	So you're basically saying that all the worlds governments, of every political shade, are working together to create one ‘template’ to govern their respective populations or are planning one organisation ( e.g the UN) to govern the world’s population. Dear dear me !!!! – mpkd’s mouth open but brain long flown away to cloud cuckoo land! It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad – I’m afraid I can’t mock the afflicted I don’t see any evidence of these plots either in the subject of this thread. I see from reports coming out from the Bali conference that China has basically said it will not cut emissions and the US has said it will not agree to target cuts – instead it will come up with another of its’ own schemes in about 6 months. Not much concerted action to suppress the masses there !!! PS - if you disagree with, say, the UK government, persuade enough people to vote them out. Although I fear your type of debating arguments won't go down well with sensible voters. Last edited by Clippo; 09-12-2007 at 12:23 PM. Reason: addition of PS

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08-12-2007, 03:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Clippo Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 2,089	Their versions of a New World Order don't compare with your crazed versions.