Sceptics on the run pt2

Clippo · 12-12-2007, 08:32 PM

Britannist
I suggest you read the latest complaint in the Complaints thread.
As I said, I'm logging off - be back on tomorrow

Britannist · 12-12-2007, 08:58 PM

I do not need to take any notice of what you "suggest".

rjt · 13-12-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

rjt wrote:-

Absolutely

All evidence points to the contary I am afraid.

rjt · 13-12-2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Clippo

John Carter wrote:-

Neither am I on both counts.

However,
I do take the view that the amount of taxes applied in this country in trying to reduce CO2 emissions is miniscule compared to the other forms of taxation.
Secondly, I take the view that whatever complexion of government we get for the next 20-30 years they will increase taxation in the name of the environment.
Thirdly, I also take the view that any such taxation should be 'hypothecated' and returned to the British people as grants to reduce the carbon footprint of the housing stock.

I suspect what will stop or reduce your car usage will not be dictats from environmental 'fascists' but will be your economic dogma of 'free market' (supply & demand). Hoist by your own petard in other words.

On your second point if you feel that taxation rises are ineviatable, I assume you wil do everything in your power to stop governments doing this by bringing about the political change needed. It is only inevitable because we are in the EU, therefore you focus should be on Britians withdrawal.

I should think that the free market will mean an increased demand for cars, the trends all point that way. Of course on option would be for cheaper and more accesiable public transport but I dont hear you talking about that much.

Do you have a problem with the free market, our move towards it under Mrs thatcher has given people a great deal more choice, would you wish to change this?

John Cooper · 13-12-2007, 12:59 PM

Global warming as a theory was first suggested over 100 years ago.
Do people really think that one world government lot have been working together for that long ???

mkpdavies · 13-12-2007, 06:54 PM

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Do people really think that one world government lot have been working together for that long ???

In one form or another damned right. There is plenty of evidence to show it too.

Clippo · 13-12-2007, 07:34 PM

rjt wrote:-

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should think that the free market will mean an increased demand for cars, the trends all point that way. Of course on option would be for cheaper and more accesiable public transport but I dont hear you talking about that much.

I fear you've misunderstood me yet again. My reference to supply and demand was really meant to refer to the fuel market. In my estimation, but you are of course free to disagree, the cost of fuel will continue to rise inexorably. With the industrialisation of, particularly China & India, and their aim of getting a living standard close or better to our own, there will be less fuel to go around. Okay you might say, even if you disagree with 'peak oil', more oil will be extracted from other sources. Problem there is that, by definition, it is much more expensive to extract and all users will have to pay more for it.
Re: cheaper public transport. I'm absolutely in favour of that - and it should be much cheaper. Although I never quoted it in my earlier post, I feel I have expressed those sentiments peviously on this forum and probably other forums I post on. But I would go even further with public transport. I would re-nationalise the railways and local public services - (and thus in the case of the railways, stop public money being paid as phoney dividends to shareholders). Am I right in thinking one or more of the southern train companies is foreign owned? (I may be getting confused with utilities ).

Clippo · 13-12-2007, 07:40 PM

mpkdavies wrote:-

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Do people really think that one world government lot have been working together for that long ???

In one form or another damned right. There is plenty of evidence to show it too.

John Cooper,
Mpkdavies has been banging on about this world conspiracy for as long as he's been on this forum. Always he claims there is 'evidence' for this. Usually, that evidence turns out to be either a dubious youtube clip, or in the case of global warming, some quote from an Exxon sponsored website or other discredited journalist/or failed scientist etc.
As someone else remarked recently, " he is barking...."

Clippo · 13-12-2007, 07:52 PM

Further to your previous post rjt, you wrote:-

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wil do everything in your power to stop governments doing this by bringing about the political change needed. It is only inevitable because we are in the EU, therefore you focus should be on Britians withdrawal.

Your last sentence is pure & unadulterated bollox. Uk governments have taxed us heavily since time immemorial. In case you didn't realise, governments are powerless if they haven't any money to spend and they claim that by electing them to office, you are tacitly giving them the right to raise taxation and spend it on what they think is desirable. It is true that a huge amount of our taxes go to the the EU but I've given my answer to that previously.
You have no idea what I may have done or am intending to do re any political or even GW topic. If you assume things you are running the risk of making an

ASS out of U and ME

Oh, btw, why didn't your beloved Margaret take us out of the EU when she had the chance to? Did she nationalise the railways ? (or was it major?

Britannist · 13-12-2007, 07:54 PM

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Your last sentence is pure & unadulterated b*****.

This (above) is extremely rude.

I hope that you do not write any of your business correspondence using such terminology, Clippo.

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John Cooper Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 333	Global warming as a theory was first suggested over 100 years ago. Do people really think that one world government lot have been working together for that long ???