Originally Posted by Clippo

Britannist wrote:-


As ever Britannist you can’t separate fact from fiction. The two issues are compatible – I care about both but below I give you my reasons for prioritisation.
It’s your ‘tunnel vision’ obsession with trying to twist everything to be anti-EU that shows your views up to be comically absurd.

I know it’s virtually impossible to get anything through your EU firewall but just open your mind up to the possibility that the predictions of the IPCC, representing the consensus view of all governments, the vast majority of scientists and many other educated people in the world may actually have some basis of truth.

Approx. a year ago, many members of the IPCC privately discounted the higher temperature rise climate change scenarios but since then, & even not all included in the latest report, there is more scientific evidence to suggest those extreme scenarios have actually a much higher probability than previously considered. (see the Scientific American link I hope to post later)
So, for me personally, I am faced with possibility of a very unpleasant physical future for my children / grandchildren, possibly even major wipe-outs of the human species and certain extinction of many other forms of life. Also, I do not discount that the UK may also suffer badly in different ways from the excesses of Climate change. Compare that with trying to recover our sovereignty lost to the EU (which I do passionately regret ).

Pardon me for deciding which priorities I set for myself and my descendents.

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There you go again with your obsessive compulsive disorder. He may be a greasy politician with a self promoting image but Al Gore’s only a messenger. Once again you can’t separate your political opinions from scientific facts.

If you can’t decide whether GW is actually occurring it hardly gives credibility to your oft-stated opinions what should be done to alleviate the effects of it.

Now, once again (step 1)
Do you think the average world temperature over the last few decades has increased ?

( If you can give a definite answer like Yes or No, or even unsure {but not ‘allegedly’), then we can continue a discussion free from irrelevant claptrap.)
Over to you again Britannist.

Originally Posted by rjt

Number one Clippo given the widespread corruption within the EU how can you expect anyone to trust its words and actions.

Secondly only by recapturing our right to govern ourselves are we in a position to take decisions that will effect us and our descendants. Do you really think any EU targest/deals that are made will be stuck too? Look at the deals already set up in the EU, The CAP and the CFP for instance minupulated by our European neighbours for their advantage with Britian having to bear the consequences. Do you really think any deal struck with the EU will do anything other than trample on Britians intrests at the expense of the rest of the EU, you cannot trust the EU Clippo it is rotten to the core, if you had the slightest intrest in perserving the future you would realise that this countrys ability to govern itself is being eroded and the type of future you want to see will not happen unless we regain the ability to govern ourselves.

Originally Posted by Clippo

Originally Posted by Clippo

Works both ways - I could accuse you of that !!!!

Originally Posted by Clippo

I fail to see the connection between my post, # 17and rjt’s reply, #23. Neither can I see the connection with his post with the title & first post of this thread.

This thread was quickly high-jacked by the crackpot conspiracy theorists who cannot accept that GW is REAL and the majority of the world believes it the greatest problem facing the future of mankind. So, I will make a complaint later this evening to try to get the Anti-EU and conspiracy theories in respective threads.

Rjt wrote:-


In general I agree – if it was within my power, I would summarily cease our payments to the EU until the ‘books’ have been clearly and publicly balanced.
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I agree – (I could quibble over the generalisations you are making but you wouldn’t understand)
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I think these ‘deals’ are being stuck to. The problem, in my view, was the crass naivety or cynicism of our politicians when we agreed to these deals in previous treaties.
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I can’t remember the exact financial details (can you?)but I think that when the Common Market / EU was set up, (before Britain ‘begged’ to join), the financial contributions were based on GDP and the state of respective country members economies. Since the economies of West Germany (now all), Britain and I think Holland were all the strongest ( and are still), we are net payers. Other members pay in but they also get more back out. So, to be somewhat pendantic, I think that Germany and Holland (Netherlands) are also losing out. And before you also state the obvious, all the recent east European joiners, and Spain and Eire didn’t rush to join because of some altruistic grand European state to balance the other power blocks such as US, China, Russia. They knew perfectly well that they would get a decent handout.
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You are repeating yourself & are rambling incoherently

Now, I repeat for the nth time, & I inlcude Davies, Carter, Britannist etc, :-
Please tell me whether you believe the world is warming on average.