Britannist

Those in - or who support - the global warming industry say that there is no connection with global warming on Pluto and Mars.

They have a duty, therefore, to explain why. They haven't come up with any valid, verifiable and conclusive arguments supported by all the leading astronomers and scientists to prove that there is absolutely no connection between the causes of alleged climate change on Earth and global warming on other planets in our solar system.

As for the sarcasm of Clispo earlier - I thought it was disgraceful.

Besoeker

Who exactly has said that?

Britannist

It appears to be implied in the first part of the article on the following link posted by Clipsto to this thread yesterday at 6.41 pm (with the words "Warming on another planet would be an interesting coincidence, but it would not necessarily be driven by the same causes.":

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http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/222712/69

g hall

I'm sure others have commented on Clippo's ability to ignore refutation's of his theories and his inability to have a reasoned debate. It's very sad really

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allanon

In fairness, the statement

doesn't categorically exclude the possibility that another planet's warming is due to the same causes as that on Earth; it just says that is not a necessary condition that the causes be the same on Earth as on other planets.

Britannist

Clispo has been sarcastic and rude to me - just because I dared to even mention that global warming is taking place on other planets.

Some people give the impression of being totally mesmerised by the global warming industry and anything the new Church Against Global Warming comes out with.

Thank goodness there are people on this forum (the people who doubt humans are mainly to blame for alleged global warming on Earth) who can think for themselves.

Besoeker

"It appears to be implied" is a long way from "there are those who say".
Allanon said it better.

Besoeker

In other words, just those who share your opinions?

Britannist

I think it is pretty obvious from the postings on this matter from Clippo that s/he is trying to suggest there is no link between global warming on Mars and alleged global warming on Earth.

If s/he is not trying to do that - then they (Clippo) either does not know if there is a link or s/he does believe that there is one.

If Clippo does not believe that there is a link between global warming on other planets in our solar system and alleged global warming on Earth, then Clippo should say so and explain why there is no link and back it up with verifiable evidence which cannot be disputed. This has not happened - all we've had so far is some stuff of Wikipedia. Not necessarily the most reputable source on such matters. I would prefer to listen to the leading astronomers or cosmic scientists.

Even if Clippo could do prove that there is absolutely no link (between alleged global warming on Earth and the warming on Mars and Plotu), it does not change the fact that most global warming (if it is taking place on Earth) is not caused by humans.

Britannist

No - people who are astute enough to question all the information and claims put before them. People wise enough to doubt the guff Blair comes out with on this (or on most other matters too) and people who don't believe all that they read in the newspaper or hear on the television/radio news unless it is proven.

That's why most doubters of the theory of alleged global warming are either eurosceptic to some degree or completely anti-EU. Because they started off by rightly doubting claims from the europhile political 'elite' in our land that the EU is a good thing.

And now we are also rightly suspicious of the ludicrous claims made by the eco-bullies who seek to use 'green' issues to raise taxes (i.e. more socialism by the back door), create eco-dependant jobs, and expand the power of the Labour regime and of the EU.