Global Cooling is here

mkpdavies · 23-01-2007, 06:30 PM

http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm

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As a retired Paleoclimatologist I can state that Earth's climate has been warming very slowly, a natural and normal progression, as we are currently in an Interglacial period (between ice ages). An Interglacial period is a geological interval of time with warmer global average temperature that separates glacials or ice ages. Our current Holocene interglacial has persisted since the Pleistocene, approximately 11,500 years ago. Superimposed on this very long climate change cycle is a number of smaller ones caused by small variations in the energy output of our Sun, wobbles of our Earth as it spins on it's axis and the eccentricity of Earth's orbit around the Sun.

However there is now growing evidence that the interglacial warming has reversed itself but I'm not sure if the reversal signals a return to a long term Ice Age or another shorter Little Ice Age. Typically an interglacial period lasts approximately 11,500 years, so anecdotal evidence would point to a return of a long term ice age. However as the Sun is at an 8000 year high as far as activity it’s a tough call. Personally I lean towards another “Little Ice Age”.
However as an objective true environmentalist with no political ax to grind I stand firmly against the current junk science, media and pop culture craze of harmful man induced climate change (global warming) and ozone depletion. It's a total and utter fraud partially based on scientists within government and academia garnering a lively hood on earmarked global warming taxpayer funded research giveaways by federal and state governments. Basically they tell the government what they want to hear to keep the $$$ rolling in. Long gone are the days of objectivity in science There is also a sinister Marxist political and socio economic motive driving the harmful man induced climate change (global warming) crowd.

Apparently co2 is to blame for this new cooling.

eublues · 23-01-2007, 06:36 PM

Brilliant photo on the website.

Besoeker · 23-01-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

http://www.kn4lf.com/globalwarminglie.htm
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Yet another link claiming that 17,000+ scientists have signed a proclamation stating that there is no credible evidence that harmful man induced climate change.
Who are they?

mkpdavies · 23-01-2007, 07:10 PM

http://www.oism.org/pproject/index.htm

See em all here.

Akria · 23-01-2007, 07:17 PM

Oh, for heaven's sake.
mkpdavies: I respect you. I respect your sheer permanence and your time spent here. I respect you as a veteran of the forum and an adult.
However, I do not respect your views on global warming.
Just face it: it's happening. 17,000 scientists signing against it isn't going to stop it; many, many more scientists than that believe that those ones are talking rubbish.
So that I can have a well-reasoned debate with you over it and not a flame war: what exactly causes you to think about global warming as you do? What do you doubt exactly? What part of the process do you disbelieve?

P.S. At first I thought the title was referring to my blog entry about two dinosaurs talking about global cooling. I am disappointed...

Akria

Feldoon · 23-01-2007, 07:28 PM

Akira, please understand there's a difference between Man-Made Global Warming/Climate Change and just Climate Change.

It's pretty naive to say that the climate isn't changing/has never changed.

What's controversial is the "Man-Made" aspect.

And no, a bunch of folk gathering around a table and agreeing isn't proof of it.

Akria · 23-01-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Feldoon

Akira, please understand there's a difference between Man-Made Global Warming/Climate Change and just Climate Change.

It's pretty naive to say that the climate isn't changing/has never changed.

What's controversial is the "Man-Made" aspect.

And no, a bunch of folk gathering around a table and agreeing isn't proof of it.

I know about the difference.
I want to know what mkpdavies finds doubtful about the man-made aspect.
And I never said anything like that last bit; I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of learned opinion is considerably in favour of the idea that man-made global warming is happening, is happening on a considerable scale and is dangerous.

Akria

P.S. It's Akria, damnit! Akria!
Gah!
No-one gets my name right...

mkpdavies · 23-01-2007, 07:38 PM

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However, I do not respect your views on global warming.

I really couldn't care less.

1. The reason I am suspicous, is beacause there is a HUGE debate about it, yet all I get fed is one side from the mainstream media.

2. Climate has always gone up and down like a yo yo on this planet. It always will. We better be ready for it.

3. There is no solid proof that the effects will be bad. They could be very good, they might be bad and good and cancel each other out. This isn't even considered.

4. There is absolutely nothing a fascist one world government, forcing everyone to cut to near zero our co2 emission (ie kill us all) could do to make any difference, never mind what we really have on this planet.

5. co2 is great. It's my favorite gas. It's essential to life and gets a bum rap. It has been around in much great quantities and the planet didn't die.

6. We only produce a fraction of it compared to nature.

7. co2 only accounts of a fraction of the greenhouse effect. I think it's utter bollox that it is to blame. If the atmostsphere was 100% co2, it would be colder.

8. The people telling us it's going to kill us all, are all flying, all using fossil fuels, all driving, all having holidays aborad. IE they either don't really believe the **** they are saying, or they know there is **** all difference anyone can make now.

9. The devestating economic effects of crippling out ability to do business, live out lives and increase our technology, will far outway any worst case co2 created climate castastrophe scenario.

10. Maurcie Strong.

11. They can't even predict the weather from day to day, never mind the long term climate forcaste. They are full of *****.

12. The EU is throwing it's full weight behind it. 99% of the EU plans are based on lies and power grabbing.

13. We have had ice ages every 13 000 years for some time now, preceeded by rapid warming. We are due another one anytime soon, we are wasting our time on this utter voodoo.

14. Contrary to what the envirofascists say, this isn't a closed case by any stretch of the imagination. Many people, including environmentalists I really respect, like David Bellamy, think it's a load of bunkham. They are given lip service at best.

15. Al ******* Gore. The film that is suppsoed to show us all what is going on, is the most biased piece of horseshite I have ever seen. No objectivity at all.

Oh I could go on, but I can't be arsed.

Feldoon · 23-01-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Akria

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Originally Posted by Feldoon

Akira, please understand there's a difference between Man-Made Global Warming/Climate Change and just Climate Change.

It's pretty naive to say that the climate isn't changing/has never changed.

What's controversial is the "Man-Made" aspect.

And no, a bunch of folk gathering around a table and agreeing isn't proof of it.

I know about the difference.
I want to know what mkpdavies finds doubtful about the man-made aspect.
And I never said anything like that last bit; I was merely pointing out that the vast majority of learned opinion is considerably in favour of the idea that man-made global warming is happening, is happening on a considerable scale and is dangerous.

Akria

P.S. It's Akria, damnit! Akria!
Gah!
No-one gets my name right...

Well before you say "Why do you doubt the man-made aspects?" think more "Why believe what you're fed?".

Which is exactly what Davies has done above.

See, many people take MMGW as fact (or at least the most likely conclusion) because that's what they've been fed. They don't challenge it. Much like "more than 6g of salt a day is bad for you".

Sheep mentality.

Besoeker · 23-01-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

http://www.oism.org/pproject/index.htm

See em all here.

Ah yes. THAT list.
:roll:

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Akria Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Grimsby, NELincs Posts: 2,405 Party: None	Oh, for heaven's sake. mkpdavies: I respect you. I respect your sheer permanence and your time spent here. I respect you as a veteran of the forum and an adult. However, I do not respect your views on global warming. Just face it: it's happening. 17,000 scientists signing against it isn't going to stop it; many, many more scientists than that believe that those ones are talking rubbish. So that I can have a well-reasoned debate with you over it and not a flame war: what exactly causes you to think about global warming as you do? What do you doubt exactly? What part of the process do you disbelieve? P.S. At first I thought the title was referring to my blog entry about two dinosaurs talking about global cooling. I am disappointed... Akria __________________ http://real-democracy.co.uk \| Admin and proud The commonality of mankind: If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?

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23-01-2007, 06:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,970	Brilliant photo on the website.

23-01-2007, 07:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Feldoon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,003	Akira, please understand there's a difference between Man-Made Global Warming/Climate Change and just Climate Change. It's pretty naive to say that the climate isn't changing/has never changed. What's controversial is the "Man-Made" aspect. And no, a bunch of folk gathering around a table and agreeing isn't proof of it.