Fall for those crappy recycle adverts?

Millennium3 · 20-01-2007, 06:25 PM

I was really trying to point out that, whilst consumer good are increasingly produced overseas or goods assembled in Britain of foriegn businesses, the quantity of sterling available for land/property purchases by foriegners is also steadily increasing - wihout any, long-term, sign of of this changing - but quite the reverse - most likely to grow as more and more low paid workers in the East [Europe and Asia] become available to a globalised market.

Anyone have figures?

Besoeker · 20-01-2007, 07:58 PM

Most of the paper for newsprint in UK is produced from recycled paper rather than imported pulp.

Millennium3 · 20-01-2007, 08:29 PM

Some comfort - but not much.

Besoeker · 20-01-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Millennium3

Some comfort - but not much.

Steel from cars is also recycled.
I'm not sure what happens to it now that the UK steel industry has been decimated.

Millennium3 · 20-01-2007, 10:59 PM

The earlier argument was that we should retreat from our throw away values and the desire for the shiny and new and make things that last much longer. I am trying to find a reason to exchange my 10 year old Laguna but there is nothing wrong with it, it drives well and if you got in it blindfolded and were driven you would think it was a nearly new car - value £500? Replacement New £18K - it does not make sense. Far better that the manufacturer offered refits as new developments occur.

They may be able to recycle all or vitually all of the parts - this may the case for a write off nearly new car - but I would be surprised if cars scrapped after 6-8 years have much recycled because the supply far outweighs the demand. Not sure about the extent of recycling of steel parts - can it be used to make high quality steel?

Besoeker · 20-01-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Millennium3

The earlier argument was that we should retreat from our throw away values and the desire for the shiny and new and make things that last much longer. I am trying to find a reason to exchange my 10 year old Laguna but there is nothing wrong with it, it drives well and if you got in it blindfolded and were driven you would think it was a nearly new car - value £500? Replacement New £18K - it does not make sense. Far better that the manufacturer offered refits as new developments occur.

They may be able to recycle all or vitually all of the parts - this may the case for a write off nearly new car - but I would be surprised if cars scrapped after 6-8 years have much recycled because the supply far outweighs the demand. Not sure about the extent of recycling of steel parts - can it be used to make high quality steel?

You make some very good points.
I'm a reasonably practical person. I can repair our washing machine if it goes wrong. But for those who can't, the cost replacement can look attractive compared to the cost of repair.
And parts become obsolete over quite a short period of time.
Or just hard to find.
My maglite torch bulb failed. Replacements are about as scarce as hen's teeth.
I could just chuck it in the trash can and buy a new one.
But that doesn't sit well with me as a means of obtaining a replacement bulb.

Dissident Congress · 21-01-2007, 05:05 PM

The major steel consuming industries such as car and train manufacturing, shipbuilding, and the construction of tower blocks are a shadow of their former self. Therefore there isn't a market for recycled steel in Britain, so we have no choice but to export scrap. Car recycling is uneconomic because the cost of labour of stripping out a car exceeds the value of the scrap materials recovered from it. I have been tipped off that many abandoned cars with missing or out of date tax discs are crushed then dumped into landfill leaking out battery acid, brake fluid, and oil.

I have encountered rumours that the steel framework from the Twin Towers was exported to China.

Millennium3 · 21-01-2007, 05:25 PM

Don't miss David Attenborough tonight at 8 on BBC1

g hall · 21-01-2007, 07:03 PM

How much does the imposition of new rules and regulations (which are gold plated in the UK) contribute to having to purchase new rather then repair ?

Besoeker · 21-01-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by g hall

How much does the imposition of new rules and regulations (which are gold plated in the UK) contribute to having to purchase new rather then repair ?

I think not at all.
It is just down to economics.

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20-01-2007, 06:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,692	I was really trying to point out that, whilst consumer good are increasingly produced overseas or goods assembled in Britain of foriegn businesses, the quantity of sterling available for land/property purchases by foriegners is also steadily increasing - wihout any, long-term, sign of of this changing - but quite the reverse - most likely to grow as more and more low paid workers in the East [Europe and Asia] become available to a globalised market. Anyone have figures?

20-01-2007, 07:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Besoeker Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,734	Most of the paper for newsprint in UK is produced from recycled paper rather than imported pulp.

20-01-2007, 08:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,692	Some comfort - but not much.

20-01-2007, 10:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,692	The earlier argument was that we should retreat from our throw away values and the desire for the shiny and new and make things that last much longer. I am trying to find a reason to exchange my 10 year old Laguna but there is nothing wrong with it, it drives well and if you got in it blindfolded and were driven you would think it was a nearly new car - value £500? Replacement New £18K - it does not make sense. Far better that the manufacturer offered refits as new developments occur. They may be able to recycle all or vitually all of the parts - this may the case for a write off nearly new car - but I would be surprised if cars scrapped after 6-8 years have much recycled because the supply far outweighs the demand. Not sure about the extent of recycling of steel parts - can it be used to make high quality steel?

21-01-2007, 05:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
Dissident Congress Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 540	The major steel consuming industries such as car and train manufacturing, shipbuilding, and the construction of tower blocks are a shadow of their former self. Therefore there isn't a market for recycled steel in Britain, so we have no choice but to export scrap. Car recycling is uneconomic because the cost of labour of stripping out a car exceeds the value of the scrap materials recovered from it. I have been tipped off that many abandoned cars with missing or out of date tax discs are crushed then dumped into landfill leaking out battery acid, brake fluid, and oil. I have encountered rumours that the steel framework from the Twin Towers was exported to China.

21-01-2007, 05:25 PM	#18 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,692	Don't miss David Attenborough tonight at 8 on BBC1

21-01-2007, 07:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,573	How much does the imposition of new rules and regulations (which are gold plated in the UK) contribute to having to purchase new rather then repair ?