Yours truly to be the voice of the Climate Change Skeptic

mkpdavies · 23-12-2006, 11:13 AM

You have google just like the rest of us.

If you can't be arsed to read some of the links I posted (that contained nearly all the info you requested), then get someone to go on the show who can.

Soddball · 23-12-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

You have google just like the rest of us.

If you can't be arsed to read some of the links I posted (that contained nearly all the info you requested), then get someone to go on the show who can.

I am doing my own research already but hoped that someone here might have already found some sites that would have been of use to the subjects I listed.

The links you posted are, quite frankly, a complete waste of time. If I wanted swivel-eyed conspiracy theories and inpenetrable climate change jargon, don't you think I'd have asked for it?

mkpdavies · 23-12-2006, 01:30 PM

Just ignore the fact the link contained the full make up of greenhouse gases if you want.

I'd take the advice of clippo if I were you on this one, avoid the interview, you are going to look like a ****.

Besoeker · 23-12-2006, 02:14 PM

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That's why, Clippo, if you read my comment earlier, you'll see that I'm not interested in challenging largely accepted theories of climate change. I'm going to argue about the significance of government action and its utter failure to address the problem, amongst other things.

I did comment earlier about the insignificance of the effort being put into renewables. Maybe you should look at much it is being subsidised. I know that some projects get up to 75%.

Besoeker · 23-12-2006, 02:20 PM

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Merry Xmas to all but, sorry the Climate realists are making a comeback.
True there is still some cultists, but the realist comment took top spot by a margin!

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Experts" say we are responsible for the world getting warmer.

20,000 years ago, Most of the North American Continent (and probably the northern hemsiphere) was covered in Ice. This was known as an Ice age. The world has been getting hotter ever since. We have only been burning fossil fuels in large quantities for the last 100 years at most. Why is mankind so arrogant to think we are responsible for everything? When the next Ice Age comes they'll be begging us to burn fossil fuels.

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Added: Monday, 4 December, 2006, 13:50 GMT 13:50 UK

When do we ever get the thick fogs of 40 years ago? Walking to school using a torch to make yourself visible to cars; Butterflies in November; 'autumn' starting in December; glaciers disappearing; ice sheets in retreat; typhoons & hurricanes of unheard of ferocity and frequency; the northwest passage becoming a reality; Parched summers etc. Coincidence? I think not... Wake up - its happening

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Added: Friday, 8 December, 2006, 13:27 GMT 13:27 UK

"I haven't noticed ANY difference in the world. Despite what all the Eco-Nazi Global Warming Taleban tell us." Smithy.

The whole problem with the world is that fools are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. Bertran Russell

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Added: Thursday, 7 December, 2006, 24:43 GMT 00:43 UK

How has climate change afected my world? Well, taxes are up and the greenies are the latest fundamentalist zealots to decry 'the west' but other than that, not at all.

Can we finally dispell this man made warming myth? The planet has had massive temperature swings way in excess of what we're seeing now for millions of years.

It should be no suprise to find that it doesnt stop happening just because man has evolved.

It's time to prosecute the green money sponges for fraud.
Steve, London

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Added: Monday, 4 December, 2006, 12:47 GMT 12:47 UK

It is now December and there is still no snow on the Wyddfa (Snowdon)

At Traeth y Foryd, little egrets are common place.

How often do we get icy conditions.

Trees are late shedding their leaves in Autumn.

It is all so obviuous, and people generally don't give a damn. How can people and the majority of the London press be so dumb to avoid this REAL issue.

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Added: Monday, 4 December, 2006, 12:47 GMT 12:47 UK

I haven't noticed ANY difference in the world. Despite what all the Eco-Nazi Global Warming Taleban tell us.

Get a grip!
Smithy, UK

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Added: Thursday, 7 December, 2006, 12:52 GMT 12:52 UK

let's see the proof about man-made global warming then - go on and show me a genuine scientific model.

They clearly admit they are working on a precautionary principle.

What does that tell you?

Half of the people bleeting on about it have no scientific credentials and don't know what the hell they are talking about

99% of the population couldn;t even begin to comprehend the thermodynamics involved in this issue.

If you don;t know what you're talking about, keep quiet
Ian McQuattie, Hull, United Kingdom

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Added: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006, 12:07 GMT 12:07 UK

In my lifetime the earths eccentricity around the sun has reduced, making the temperature difference between the seasons less.
And it's axial tilt has reduced, meaning that solar radiation is more evenly distributed between seasons.
It's precession has also changed meaning that during the winter here we are nearer to the sun.
It's called the Milankovitch cycles, but the Beeb, Mr Brown and Al Gore don't want you to know about the "M" word...Look into their eyes, not around the eyes....
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Added: Sunday, 10 December, 2006, 20:16 GMT 20:16 UK

I don't know if things are changing around here due to global warming or not, but I do feel that our quality of life is changing due to the fact that human beings are procreating as fast as slime mold. We can try to be green as much as we want, but unless we slow population growth as well, we doomed to living like rats in a cage.
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Added: Monday, 4 December, 2006, 15:23 GMT 15:23 UK

Surely people remember November 5 as being freezing? Don't you remember standing in the garden around the bonfire with your fireworks in a little tin and sparklers held with gloved hands? Didn't your feet freeze in your wellies? Here in Poland we have celebrations for November 1 and in the past few years we've had leaves on the trees and very mild weather when about 10 years ago I remember it being around 0 degrees when we were visiting the graves. Something's definitely up.

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Added: Monday, 4 December, 2006, 14:20 GMT 14:20 UK

As a child, I remember winters always with lots of snow and crisp Decembers trying not to slip on iced pavements etc..

.. skip forward about 30 years ..

It's December and I have yet to turn on my central heating (nights are still warm enough to sleep with windows open). I haven't seen any significant snowfall lasting more than a few days since 1984 (when I had to dig my next door neighbour out) and this year i was still eating breakfast outside in October, wearing a t-shirt.

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Added: Monday, 4 December, 2006, 14:04 GMT 14:04 UK

I have observed, I'm sure others have too, the fall of the leaf happens later than usual and our winters arrive late.

A cold snap on average here in London, that would normally 30 years ago, produce a maximum day temperature of -2C 28F these days would be more like 4C 39F (6 degree rise).

The last snowfall in London I recall was 1993 or more recently (slight) 2002.

Also I have not seen icicles since the late 80's...too much human activity and our earth is paying the price.

Peter James, London, United Kingdom

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Added: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006, 12:13 GMT 12:13 UK

The cynicism on show is quite worrying. Climate change is happening, it is real and only we, as the generation guilty of bringing on this transformation can save ourselves from catastrophe.

I noticed crocii budding yesterday....as December starts, nature is unable to evolve quick enough and we will soon see a filtering down as species are wiped out. There will be a domino effect and it will lead to us eventually.

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Added: Tuesday, 5 December, 2006, 09:51 GMT 09:51 UK

Martin Hudson - how can you list a whole set of changes & then claim it's nothing drastic & climate change isn't happening? It is happening gradually, this is a planet with enormous thermal mass not a Hollywood movie. It is happening & it is linked to CO2, yet you & many like you want to wait until it is too late for some undeniable proof, perhaps the complete melting of the icecaps. If we do not act then our children & grandchildren will want to know why we did so little to save their world.

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Added: Friday, 8 December, 2006, 15:04 GMT 15:04 UK

Climate change is an ongoing thing. It might be affected by CO2 emissions and what not, but the overal change in climate would have happened regardless.

Yep there are still some crazies who swallow the bs though. Like the guy who says we have never had thick fog?

The facts show there has been slight warming, but we are still nowhere near as warm as it has been, nevermind proving whether it was manmade or not.

Sheeple are easily spooked though and the sheep dogs no that and use it to full effect.

Here boy, *whistles*

Some really objective and analytical comments there, MKP.

I agree with Carlyle:
"I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."

mkpdavies · 23-12-2006, 02:32 PM

I like

"Nothing is more terrifying than ignorance in action."

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Besoeker · 23-12-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I like

"Nothing is more terrifying than ignorance in action."

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Interesting character was Goethe.
Eclectic might be a good description.
I note that you may have missed my post of Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:19 pm

mkpdavies · 23-12-2006, 05:46 PM

What thread? I can't see any at 4:19 in this one.

mkpdavies · 23-12-2006, 06:23 PM

Here is some nice videos for the thick deniers like me.

Google Video

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Besoeker · 23-12-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

What thread? I can't see any at 4:19 in this one.

What do you make of the data from the ice cores that show that the rate of increase of CO2 in the last two decades is about 60 times higher than it has ever been in the last 800,000 years?

23-12-2006, 11:13 AM	#51 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	You have google just like the rest of us. If you can't be arsed to read some of the links I posted (that contained nearly all the info you requested), then get someone to go on the show who can. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

23-12-2006, 01:30 PM	#53 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	Just ignore the fact the link contained the full make up of greenhouse gases if you want. I'd take the advice of clippo if I were you on this one, avoid the interview, you are going to look like a ****. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

23-12-2006, 02:32 PM	#56 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	I like "Nothing is more terrifying than ignorance in action." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

23-12-2006, 05:46 PM	#58 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	What thread? I can't see any at 4:19 in this one. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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