Hartlepool

It's absolutely freezing up here tonight, again.

Besoeker

It shouldn't be if you are an engineer.
Anyway, John Napier is credited with being the inventor of logarithms, and the predecessor of the slide-rule known as Napier's Bones.
Napier lived in Merchiston Castle which is in the centre of Napier University. That's where I did the CEI exams to gain entry to the professional institution (IEE).
It would be a bit sad had I left there not knowing about that great Scots mathematician and his contribution.
So yes, I do know something about logarithmic and exponential functions.

mkpdavies

Well there are real engineers and then there are most jobs that use the name engineer. I fall into the second category and fully admit that.

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Hartlepool

Is that where you learned to blow your own trumpet as well? ops:

Besoeker

No. I got my music lessons elsewhere.
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Besoeker

Thanks for your post. I appreciate that, young fellow.
Perhaps it it will give both of us a better understanding of the other's posts.
I know I am a pedantic old barsteward and pernickety. I make no apologies for that.
And I do have a sense of humour.

Besoeker

I don't know of anyone who does that. But I live a sheltered life.
What do you make of the data from the ice cores that show that the rate of increase of CO2 in the last two decades is about 60 times higher than it has ever been in the last 800,000 years?

Clippo

I have to say mpkdavies’ post earlier, (4.23pm) had me a little worried for a few seconds. I quickly delved into it and started to unravel the claims & counterclaims and then suspected this was a deep statistical argument between pro & anti- Global Warmers. My suspicions were aroused when I realised that this article had been ‘selected’ by a website http://meteo.lcd.lu/ to suit their own anti-GW leanings. (Ironic too this is based in the EU – Luxembourg, where I’m told that EU leaders want to dominate the world by foisting GW on us. Surprising they haven’t closed this place down yet.
Anyway, for those of you who aren’t aware, in my previous post I referred to 2 independent researchers who ‘upset’ the US establishment. They were/are P.J. Webster & K. Emanuel. One of their main protagonists is William Gray from Colorado State University, and who is a long term GW sceptic – so much so that he testified in the US congress and was instrumental in undermining GW connections to hurricane Katrina. Further study of the literature on this subject revealed that Philip Klotzbach, the author of the paper quoted by mpkdavies seems to have studied with or under William Gray at Colorado. So, it’s a great pity that Klotzbach’s integrity is questionable. (And I’ve just found another link between Gray & CW Landsea, another critic of Webster & Emanuel).

However, I do accept that, from my limited statistical knowledge, Klotzbach seems to be suggesting that Webster & Emanuel’s data analysis is flawed by including data included from the 1970’s. Do you agree with interpretation mpkdavies?

I assume you’ve read and analysed the paper ?

Also, Webster has effectively countered similar criticisms of his work here:-
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...311/5768/1713c

However, two can play at ‘find – a-supporting-website’ game. Take a look at this one if you dare.
http://zfacts.com/p/240.html


Unionist,
You’ve typed a hell of a lot in this thread but you haven’t actually contributed any fact relevant to the title/first post.
My first post was exactly the opposite as you admitted in your first line first post
And you will see from your second sentence that you were the first to use personal insults between us.
Read back to p3 and see what mpkdavies said about me if your worried about insults.

You also generalise :-
Neither am I, - all I’m pointing out is that everybody in the world is going to affected by GW and those who least cause it are going to be the worse off. I know, as most people in the UK do, that taxing us more isn’t going to make jot of difference to GW. To me, that was the political fault of Stern – the economics were sensible I’ve been lead to believe by expert economists.

Whether you or I like it or not Unionist, a democratic government’s main tool to change people’s behaviour is the tax system. Whatever govt. we have in the next decades, we will be taxed more & more on inefficient use of energy.

Now, this isn’t a convenient get out – but I’m having a break for Christmas. To all of you, especially Unionist, Hartlepool, & Matt Davies, forget the insults flying around & have a good Christmas and a Happy New Year. Also, Matt, please give my sincerest & genuine good wishes to Biscuitman.

mkpdavies

Merry Xmas to all but, sorry the Climate realists are making a comeback.
True there is still some cultists, but the realist comment took top spot by a margin!

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Yep there are still some crazies who swallow the bs though. Like the guy who says we have never had thick fog?

The facts show there has been slight warming, but we are still nowhere near as warm as it has been, nevermind proving whether it was manmade or not.

Sheeple are easily spooked though and the sheep dogs no that and use it to full effect.

Here boy, *whistles*

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Soddball

That's why, Clippo, if you read my comment earlier, you'll see that I'm not interested in challenging largely accepted theories of climate change. I'm going to argue about the significance of government action and its utter failure to address the problem, amongst other things.

I'm bright enough not to get involved in a slanging match on a subject like this where I'm out of my depth.

Whilst yet another 'is it/isn't it' climate change thread is exciting and glamourous, I will assume that nobody has access to any of the information I actually requested in my first post.