Hartlepool

Unionist,you must start to use the correct terminology,so,its to be now known as "The New Mini Ice Age." :wink:

This can then be referred to as a huge "PhenomAMEN."

Clippo

Unionist wrote:-

I did this because I don’t like to see anybody humiliated in public. This forum has become a forum for crackpots, especially GW sceptics, or deny-ers in your case Unionist, to air their preposterous views but you’re only making yourselves stupid in front of each other here.
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That was the WHOLE point of the Stern review !!!
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Why do you keep raising stupid points/asking daft questions that any normal person would have realised have been raised before and studied? Firstly, you have to define ‘benefit’. Yes. It might be possible for mpkdavies to make his own wine (although he could do that now), but by far the major effects of GW are predicted to be far from the usual definitions of beneficial. It was predicted that weather patterns would become much more extreme. And so it has come to pass – Katrina, typhoons in the far east, heat waves in Europe that killed tens of thousands of people, melting of polar ice (that is happening at least twice as fast that was predicted even 5 years ago) and so on. The IPCC, which you dislike so much (presumably because it tells truths that you don’t like to admit), has recently revised its’ ocean sea level rise predictions down but it still be significant to inundate large areas of lowland planet. Also, one event, the 1930’s dust bowl, in the USA is also suspected of being GW induced and the worst predictions are that the major food growing areas of the world will be similarly affected. And in current thinking, who’s going to be affected most by these blights,? well Africa – the continent that contributes least of all to GW. That’s a nice Christian attitude of yours, especially at this time of year.

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NO NO NO !!! the onus is on you small band of deny-ers to prove that the overwhelming science of the last 15-20 years is wrong.
If this debate was a football match, you'd be at least 10-0 down, and screaming to the ref. to abandon the game because your defence & goalie have left the pitch in shame.

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So you're an expert are you? Link please !!!!

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So, you read it & understood it did you ? – obviously not because you would have been able to answer the earlier statement about it.

And of course we get the usual highly technical and relevant contribution from Hartlepool –

I obviously had a lucky escape the other day when he was reputed to be in the Northwich-Chester area. Probably drove past my house.

Never have lived it down if such a dupe called in!

Hartlepool

BUT,ITS GETTING EVEN COLDER. :wink:

mkpdavies

Someone get clippo some valium please.

He thinks Hurricanes are something new to the planet now!

I'm not sure there is a cure for delusion on this massive scale.

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Clippo, you presume too much about the people you are 'debating' with and you might be embarrassed if you knew about their areas of expertise. However, I have no intention of posting my CV on this forum. I don't denigrate your intellect so please don't denigrate mine. I deal with people's arguments as they present themselves rather than try to abuse the character or intellect of the individuals in the debate.

I see you have intentionally labelled me a GW 'denier' because I made the point that this term was used by the GW lobby as a device to place opposition to the GW thesis on a par with Holocaust denial. So since I said I thought the term was offensive you have used it specifically for me. Thanks for that. Pardon me if I choose not to involve myself in your mud slinging any more.

mkpdavies

BTW for all the people who don't believe that hurricanes have only just started occuring and hitting the states.




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Doesn't seem to be much data before this recentish history.

Hartlepool

It's a fact,the pushers of this GW drivel need to wait a while and then present some numbers,all the recent stuff is just that,recent stuff.

In short,there aint no global warming going on that should create concern.

It's freezing up here,freezing.

More tea Vicar?

Clippo

Mpdavies wrote:-

Well Matt, since you seem to have broken our fragile truce get your lifebelt on as I prepare to blow you out of the water again.

Where have I said hurricanes are something new to the planet? If you had a single working brain cell you would have done some real background research into hurricanes & typhoons (known scientifically as cyclones), before, as usual you put your foot in your mouth again.

I really can’t be bothered to elucidate the recent history of this debate other than to say in about 1990, a scientist predicted ‘higher intensity’ hurricanes & tropical storms. This upset many US experts who thought they were the only experts on hurricanes so they ‘attacked’ the new data. They did show that the intensities claimed for about half of the cases were questionable and the detail of the definition of intensity might be questionable. But it stung them and they upgraded their own investigations. The current position is summarised in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane#Global_warming –
got to the sub title ‘Long term trends in cyclone activity’

Since you won’t be able to understand the statistical bit on your past performance on mathematical matters with Besoeker, I’ll tell you that the chances of cyclone intensity increasing in the 6 different oceanic basins could not be attributed to chance alone and since GW has been shown to increase sea temperatures, this is the undeniable cause of more violent cyclones.

Unionist wrote:-
I don’t care what anybody’s area of expertise is – all I want is for posters to present verifiable first hand information, not off-the-cuff opinions culled from other con merchants. You never know, I might agree with you. But to say things like I picked you up for imo makes me question whether you’ve ever delved deeper into this subject that what is presented in the red tops.

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Convenient way to abandon your post !!!!

Hartlepool, - go hang another monkey – you know more about that than GW.

Besoeker

And I suppose I should have added that I studied for some time at Merchiston Castle.

mkpdavies

You were the one who mentioned me first dude. Or don't the rules count for the order of teh global warming collective?

You blamed Katrina on teh global warming. A hysterical, non fact based piece of scaremongering, which is exactly what I expect from your cult.

One "scientist", backed by the Maurice Strong school of brainwashing no doubt. Just a shame his voodoo predictions aren't worth squat. The fact we have had less than average hurricanes this year should be concerning to you, but because it doesn't back your voodoo, out comes the dummy and all the toys.
I have an A-Level in Maths, so probably can understand anything you throw at me, though I admit my class didn't accept voodoo as a formal discipline in maths alongside mechanics and statistics. The last part of your statement is pulled straight from your ****.

Your position is getting ever more hysterical an flakey. Trying to claim that hurricanes are even at a recent historical peak, never mind long term is just utter nuttery. Hurricane frequency AND intensity goes up and down like a whores drawers from year to year, since the 1800's there is NO long term upward trend in either. Indeed, there is some substantial evidence that there are more and worse storms when the planet is cooler.

See if you can get hold of Maurice Strong. He will have a much better strategy than making it up as you go a long, pretending you are some sort of intellect and every who disagrees is thick. You've been rumbled son, as the fraud that most of the alarmists are. Go and get yourself some real argument, before you come back here blowing your own trumpet.

Perhaps in your day you might have had some clarity of thought, that you wouldn't have embararresed yourself here today. The years have clearly not been kind to you, so I suggest you cease digging and making such ludicrous claims such as Katrina was teh global warmings fault. Even most people in your cult will be cringing with embarrassment at that statement based purley out of fearmongering and zero fact.

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