co2 fans want MORE co2 for a better world.

mkpdavies · 17-12-2006, 02:40 AM

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO...balwarming.jsp

They are willing to accept that man has increased the amount of co2 but they say no harm will come of it, indeed it will be beneficial to the planet. I think they are alligned with the David Bellamy school of thought, that even a huge increase co2 can only be a good thing.

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Growth-enhancing effects of CO2 create an impetus for cooling. Carbon dioxide is a powerful aerial fertilizer, directly enhancing the growth of almost all terrestrial plants and many aquatic plants as its atmospheric concentration rises. And just as increased algal productivity at sea increases the emission of sulfur gases to the atmosphere, ultimately leading to more and brighter clouds over the world's oceans, so too do CO2-induced increases in terrestrial plant productivity lead to enhanced emissions of various sulfur gases over land, where they likewise ultimately cool the planet. In addition, many non-sulfur-based biogenic materials of the terrestrial environment play major roles as water- and ice-nucleating aerosols; and the airborne presence of these materials should also be enhanced by rising levels of atmospheric CO2. Hence, it is possible that incorporation of this multifaceted CO2-induced cooling effect into the suite of equations that comprise the current generation of global climate models might actually tip the climatic scales in favor of global cooling in the face of continued growth of anthropogenic CO2 emissions.

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Elevated levels of atmospheric CO2 are a boon to the biosphere. In lieu of global warming, a little of which would in all probability be good for the planet, where do the above considerations leave us? Simply with the biospheric benefits that come from the aerial fertilization effect of atmospheric CO2 enrichment: enhanced plant growth, increased plant water use efficiency, greater food production for both people and animals, plus a host of other biological benefits too numerous to describe in this short statement.

And these benefits are not mere predictions. They are real. Already, in fact, they are evident in long-term tree-ring records, which reveal a history of increasing forest growth rates that have closely paralleled the progression of the Industrial Revolution. They can also be seen in the slow but inexorable spreading of woody plants into areas where only grasses grew before. In fact, the atmosphere itself bears witness to the increasing prowess of the entire biosphere in the yearly expanding amplitude of the its seasonal CO2 cycle. This oscillatory "breath of the biosphere" - its inhalation of CO2, produced by spring and summer terrestrial plant growth, and its exhalation of CO2, produced by fall and winter biomass decomposition - has been documented to be growing greater and greater each year in response to the ever-increasing growth stimulation provided by the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content

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Atmospheric CO2 enrichment brings growth and prosperity to man and nature alike. This, then, is what we truly believe will be the result of the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content: a reinvigorated biosphere characteristic of those prior periods of earth's history when the air's CO2 concentration was much higher than it is today, coupled with a climate not much different from that of the present. Are we right? Only time will tell. But one thing is certain now: there is much more real-world evidence for the encouraging scenario we paint here than for the doom-and-gloom predictions of apocalypse that are preached by those who blindly follow the manifestly less-than-adequate prognostications of imperfect climate models.

Our policy prescription relative to anthropogenic CO2 emissions is thus to leave well enough alone and let nature and humanity take their inextricably intertwined course. All indications are that both will be well served by the ongoing rise in atmospheric CO2.

mkpdavies · 17-12-2006, 02:47 AM

This is an interesting bit quoted from the WORLD RESPECTED New Scientist.

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In an article by Fred Pearce that was posted on the website of New Scientist magazine on 16 September 2002 entitled "Africa's deserts are in 'spectacular' retreat," we were told the story of vegetation reclaiming great tracts of barren land across the entire southern edge of the Sahara. This information likely came as a bit of a surprise to many, since the United Nations Environment Program had reported to the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg, South Africa in August of that year that over 45% of the continent was experiencing severe desertification. The world of nature, however, told a vastly different story.

Pearce began his eye-opening article by stating that "the southern Saharan desert is in retreat, making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa," noting that "Burkina Faso, one of the West African countries devastated by drought and advancing deserts 20 years ago, is growing so much greener that families who fled to wetter coastal regions are starting to go home."

And the good news was not confined to Burkina Faso. "Vegetation," according to Pearce, "is ousting sand across a swathe of land stretching from Mauritania on the shores of the Atlantic to Eritrea 6000 kilometers away on the Red Sea coast." What is more, besides being widespread in space, the greening was widespread in time, having been happening since at least the mid-1980s.

So it's official. The voodooists want to keep Africa poor and starving.

Clippo · 17-12-2006, 09:38 AM

Your first link:-
An obscure USA website of politically unstubstantiated adherents and who have not published any original data.
(rasberry noise)

your second point:-
really good news, but you should have included the last paragraph:-

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But there is confusion over why the Sahel is becoming green. Rasmussen believes the main reason is increased rainfall since the great droughts of the early 1970s and 1980s. But farmers have also been adopting better methods of keeping soil and water on their land.

No GW conclusion there yet!
GW predicts more extremes. Could this be one of them:-

At the other side of Africa:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5267794.stm

John Carter · 17-12-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

So it's official. The voodooists want to keep Africa poor and starving.

Keeping Africa poor and starving is an essential part of keeping western sheeple poor. If they're not poor and starving, our powers that be wouldn't really have an excuse to tax us as much (since there'd be no need for overseas aid).

Hartlepool · 17-12-2006, 12:07 PM

A great deal of Africas problems stem from food shortages due to severe lack of water.

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I find it strange that pipelines are not under construction from the north and central parts of Africa to trasfer their excess water stocks.

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If water is available and we have the will and skill why is it these Africans starve and suffer each year that God sends them/us?

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The short answer is because it suits US in The Communist European Union, and a couple of more places around there.

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Peace on Earth,and goodwill to all men/women.(my ****.)

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mkpdavies · 17-12-2006, 03:34 PM

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An obscure USA website of politically unstubstantiated adherents and who have not published any original data.

Ah they are not your kind of scientists and specialists, so you just ignore them. So much for you listening to experts eh?

Face it dude, you go with the herd on this issue. Maurice Strong is your sheepdog and you obey him like a *****.

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Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	A great deal of Africas problems stem from food shortages due to severe lack of water. ops: I find it strange that pipelines are not under construction from the north and central parts of Africa to trasfer their excess water stocks. ops: If water is available and we have the will and skill why is it these Africans starve and suffer each year that God sends them/us? ops: The short answer is because it suits US in The Communist European Union, and a couple of more places around there. ops: Peace on Earth,and goodwill to all men/women.(my ****.) ops: