More evidence that man-made global warming is a crock...

John Carter · 07-12-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

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The graph you posted covers three thousand years.

The hockey stick you keep banging on about covers 1,000 years.

And the data presented therein doesn't exactly match up with the real data.

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It ends quite a long way short of present day.

Until 1975. Are you telling me that we didn't have industrialisation until 1975?

I'll tell ya what's happening here. You're looking at incredibly small periods of time which suit your pre-defined position (as noted by your observation that 1975 is a "long way short" of the present day). Your hockey stick guy and all the other scientists on your side are doing the same: they're fitting the data to match their pre-defined position.

A bit like how Labour used an anomalous year on which to base their speed cameras/road deaths statistics.

Now, as far as I'm concerned any scientist who does this isn't a scientist at all - they're a politician.

I do wish you would stick to facts.

A. I have not once mentioned anything about a hockey stick, far less kept banging on about it.
B. It follows from A that I have not commented on the data therein.
C. No, I am not telling you and have never told you that we didn't have industrialisation until 1975.
D. You don't know what my predefined position is. You just assumed it. As did Clippo, incidently.
E. It follows from D that you don't which other scientists are on my side.

One must assume that you don't realise that the words "you" and "your" can actually be used in the plural form - meaning "you GW voodooists", as was the case here.

But never mind, just keep letting those small details occupy your thoughts.

John Carter · 07-12-2006, 12:35 PM

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Recent rates of temperature change are orders of magnitude greater than shown on your data,

Quantify that please.

3.6

3.6 what?

Centigrade? Kelvin? Percent? Chicken and mushroom pies?

Besoeker · 07-12-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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Recent rates of temperature change are orders of magnitude greater than shown on your data,

Quantify that please.

3.6

3.6 what?

Centigrade? Kelvin? Percent? Chicken and mushroom pies?

It is pu

Besoeker · 07-12-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

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Originally Posted by John Carter

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

The graph you posted covers three thousand years.

The hockey stick you keep banging on about covers 1,000 years.

And the data presented therein doesn't exactly match up with the real data.

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

It ends quite a long way short of present day.

Until 1975. Are you telling me that we didn't have industrialisation until 1975?

I'll tell ya what's happening here. You're looking at incredibly small periods of time which suit your pre-defined position (as noted by your observation that 1975 is a "long way short" of the present day). Your hockey stick guy and all the other scientists on your side are doing the same: they're fitting the data to match their pre-defined position.

A bit like how Labour used an anomalous year on which to base their speed cameras/road deaths statistics.

Now, as far as I'm concerned any scientist who does this isn't a scientist at all - they're a politician.

I do wish you would stick to facts.

A. I have not once mentioned anything about a hockey stick, far less kept banging on about it.
B. It follows from A that I have not commented on the data therein.
C. No, I am not telling you and have never told you that we didn't have industrialisation until 1975.
D. You don't know what my predefined position is. You just assumed it. As did Clippo, incidently.
E. It follows from D that you don't which other scientists are on my side.

One must assume that you don't realise that the words "you" and "your" can actually be used in the plural form - meaning "you GW voodooists", as was the case here.

But never mind, just keep letting those small details occupy your thoughts.

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Your move, son.

John Carter · 07-12-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

Your move, son.

Your wit is truly remarkable, dad.

Hartlepool · 07-12-2006, 01:28 PM

All should read this,it's clearly spelled out and very easy to read,especially the last couple of paragraphs located before "References".

Quit the squabling and enjoy the facts that are presented for all to see.

Of course,some still believe the Earth is flat........and always will probably.

http://www.clearlight.com~mhieb/WVFo...ouse_data.html

Problems=google...percentage manmade co2 (its near the top)

John Carter · 07-12-2006, 01:48 PM

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVF...ouse_data.html

Fixed.

Hartlepool · 07-12-2006, 02:14 PM

Thanks JC,anyone have any comments yet out there?

mkpdavies · 07-12-2006, 04:25 PM

Here are the multiple layers that all have to be broken down by the voodoo hysteria cult of gw, before I will accept higher taxation and loss of liberties on the back of it.

1. Is the planet changing temperature beyond what has happened before?
2. Why do you think co2 is the cause?
3. Why do you think man made co2 is the cause, when nature produces the vast bulk of it every year?
4. Why don't you think the sun, that is warming planets where we don't live up more, couldn't be the driving factor here?
5. Who says this warming is actualy bad for the planet? It might be good overall.
6. Why do you think the climate should stabalise just beacause we now live here?
7. Why are the people trying to scare me into surrending my money and freedom, not surrendering their money and freedom even more as an example?
8. What difference will Britain turning into an unihabited country have on the effect of the whole world? I see roughly nil effect. So what is the point in us tinkering anyway?
9. If this co2 is supposed to be soaring right now and co2 is supposed to be the cause of warming, why isn't the temperature followin co2 in soaring, just like all your crappy greaphs are supposed to show in the past?
10. How come co2 has followed warming in the main in the past not the other way around?
11. How come co2 has spiked massivley in the past, without our intervention.
12. Why are you worried when the planet has been MUCH warmer and had more co2 than before now.
13. Aren't there much more pressing REAL issues facing mankind, than this voodoo?
14. Why is it only now that any kind of debate is being allowed, with the normal biased mongers of propaganda like the BBC, still stick to the one sided line?

All of them need to be answered for me and so far no one has come close.

Hartlepool · 07-12-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

All should read this,it's clearly spelled out and very easy to read,especially the last couple of paragraphs located before "References".

Quit the squabling and enjoy the facts that are presented for all to see.

Of course,some still believe the Earth is flat........and always will probably.

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVF...ouse_data.html

Problems=google...percentage manmade co2 (its near the top)

Global Warming,a lot of LIB/LAB/CON tosh,and thats for sure. :wink:

07-12-2006, 04:25 PM	#39 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Here are the multiple layers that all have to be broken down by the voodoo hysteria cult of gw, before I will accept higher taxation and loss of liberties on the back of it. 1. Is the planet changing temperature beyond what has happened before? 2. Why do you think co2 is the cause? 3. Why do you think man made co2 is the cause, when nature produces the vast bulk of it every year? 4. Why don't you think the sun, that is warming planets where we don't live up more, couldn't be the driving factor here? 5. Who says this warming is actualy bad for the planet? It might be good overall. 6. Why do you think the climate should stabalise just beacause we now live here? 7. Why are the people trying to scare me into surrending my money and freedom, not surrendering their money and freedom even more as an example? 8. What difference will Britain turning into an unihabited country have on the effect of the whole world? I see roughly nil effect. So what is the point in us tinkering anyway? 9. If this co2 is supposed to be soaring right now and co2 is supposed to be the cause of warming, why isn't the temperature followin co2 in soaring, just like all your crappy greaphs are supposed to show in the past? 10. How come co2 has followed warming in the main in the past not the other way around? 11. How come co2 has spiked massivley in the past, without our intervention. 12. Why are you worried when the planet has been MUCH warmer and had more co2 than before now. 13. Aren't there much more pressing REAL issues facing mankind, than this voodoo? 14. Why is it only now that any kind of debate is being allowed, with the normal biased mongers of propaganda like the BBC, still stick to the one sided line? All of them need to be answered for me and so far no one has come close. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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07-12-2006, 01:28 PM	#36 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,660 Party: Free England Party	All should read this,it's clearly spelled out and very easy to read,especially the last couple of paragraphs located before "References". Quit the squabling and enjoy the facts that are presented for all to see. Of course,some still believe the Earth is flat........and always will probably. http://www.clearlight.com~mhieb/WVFo...ouse_data.html Problems=google...percentage manmade co2 (its near the top)

07-12-2006, 01:48 PM	#37 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVF...ouse_data.html Fixed.

07-12-2006, 02:14 PM	#38 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,660 Party: Free England Party	Thanks JC,anyone have any comments yet out there?