The big lie called global warming

Roy London · 22-11-2004, 06:03 AM

If you think the EU is dangerous, how many of you have woken up yet to another huge threat to our freedom - the big lie of man-made global warming and the agenda behind it?

Do a few searches on the name "maurice strong" and you may start to understand what's going on here.

mkpdavies · 22-11-2004, 01:24 PM

I have to say, it does make me wonder how governments can get away with blaming global warming for all their extra taxes and rules. It is hardly an exact science working out the worlds weather patterns and temperatures.

If humans were not on this planet, it would still change temperature over time on it's own. Who knows, if we hadn't warmed it up as seems to be the concensus, then we may have been thrown INTO phpbb_an ice age earlier.

I think we should always look to keep polution down to an absolute minimum, and perhaps this whole global warming things is being used as a stick to try and enforce it.

What I can't stand is this rancid government using it as an excuse to pump the prices up on petrol etc as a money grabbing ploy. Volcanos belch out more gases than all our cars do in a lifetime. I hate it when causes are hijacked like this.

Anthony Butcher · 22-11-2004, 01:39 PM

This is why they have changed the name to "climate change"; because the science of "global warming" is questionable. That doesn't mean that it is necessarily wrong, just that we don't really know enough about it.

I think that I would rather take a cautious approach until we know definitively, rather than providing a blank cheque to the industrial nations to spew out as much pollution as they like. It can't be a bad thing to reduce out pollution levels in cities anyway, regardless of the environmental effects.

Roy London · 22-11-2004, 11:55 PM

I fear you may both not be aware of the scale of the deception that is taking place and the motivation behind it. As I said, do a search on "maurice strong" and print up some of the results to read over coffee or in the loo! You'll be horrified.

As for climate change: please read some of the articles by Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.

You could start at here - his own site.

I shall try to provide some more useful links.

It goes without saying of course, that Professor Stott is already the subject of vitriol and pillorying for daring to speak the truth against the current orthodoxy.

* * *
A petition circulated to scientists rejecting the Kyoto Protocol has been signed by over 17,000 individuals including over 2,000 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers and environmental scientists. An additional 4,400, according to the petition’s sponsors, are qualified to assess the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth’s plant and animal life and most of the remaining signers have technical training suitable to understanding climate change issues.

You can see the petition here http://www.oism.org/pproject/

On this page http://www.envirotruth.org/myth_experts.cfm you will find a list of experts who reject man-made climate change and their contact details (wonder why the BBC never contact them?)

Here's a simple but useful little page http://www.kafalas.com/urbcol74.htm

This is a useful page, especially for any Christians deceived by worshippers of Mother Earth http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1106.htm

THIS PAGE IS A MUST: http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Blair.htm

Beware: the global warming hysteria is the creation of one-worlders ... and it's working a treat!

mkpdavies · 23-11-2004, 12:24 AM

One of our PPC's Steve Reed (name ring a bell Anthony

) spoke out on this very subject. He was of course ridiculed and abused by the usual mob. Anyone who doesn't follow the rest of the sheep, without question, always is I'm afraid! However, when you actualy sit down and talk to people about it, 9 time out of 10, they normaly come to the opinion that it is all a big con, but there is nothing that can be done about it.

Roy London · 23-11-2004, 12:35 AM

It's something all those who cherish freedom need to wake up to. It's such a seductive weapon. Its greatest threat is in its apparent innocence and its attraction to caring (but gullible) people who have no idea they are being duped and used. Global warming is one huge, great nasty Trojan horse, essential to the plans of those who want a global, undemocratic form of government.

mkpdavies · 23-11-2004, 12:43 AM

I would recomend that everyone should at least look at

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Blair.htm

Roy is right, it is essential reading. I would love to see Blair confronted with the information here, but alas I fear a text message could not get all this info in it. He wouldn't answer it anyway, as he doesn't want to ruin his lovely illusion, that he can use on us over and over again, to keep us in fear and squeeze the last drops of tax money out of us.

Perhaps someone else on the web will give an answer to this damning evididence. I am off to see if I can find someone now!

I have emailed the Green party, asking if one of their experts can shed light on why they think the above website is wrong. I will post any reply here!

mkpdavies · 23-11-2004, 07:47 PM

Well the Green party responded.

Quote:

Hi,

Thank you for your e-mail. We try to answer as many as we can, but please be aware that The Green Party receives a large number of e-mails and only employs two members of staff in its office, and therefore does not have the resources to answer each one individually. All of our policies are found in the Manifesto for a Sustainable Society which appears in the 'Policy' section of our website (www.greenparty.org.uk). The website also contains numerous press statements and reports, and a search engine is provided. If the website contains nothing about the subject, it is because the party has not passed a policy on the matter.

We also receive a lot of scientific questions relating to environmental issues. Among the websites which are good for answering these is Friends of the Earth (www.foe.co.uk).

Basicaly, they can't be bothered to respond, or worse they have no answer. Why do parties bother asking for questions if they won't give answers. Greens are just as bad as the main parties it seems.

cynic · 27-12-2004, 11:47 PM

This is just a lot of Hot air!
8)

gimlet · 28-12-2004, 09:42 AM

Roy London

Well done on starting this topic. A few weeks ago I spent 2 days following all the links on Global Warming - What a surprise, have we been fooled or what? It is amazing that the USA are slated for not signing up to the Koyoto, but as their representative said on radio 4 about 3 weeks ago - Its the wrong science.
From surfing I glean that Green house gases (that sound nasty), 60 - 70% is water! The sun has been closest to the earth for 400 years and increased sun spot activity directly corrolates to the small tempeature rise.

I asked a senior Met forecaster about global warming vs CO2 and he said there has been no proven direct link! So how come we have all the hype?

22-11-2004, 06:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
Roy London Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 5	The big lie called global warming If you think the EU is dangerous, how many of you have woken up yet to another huge threat to our freedom - the big lie of man-made global warming and the agenda behind it? Do a few searches on the name "maurice strong" and you may start to understand what's going on here.

22-11-2004, 01:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	I have to say, it does make me wonder how governments can get away with blaming global warming for all their extra taxes and rules. It is hardly an exact science working out the worlds weather patterns and temperatures. If humans were not on this planet, it would still change temperature over time on it's own. Who knows, if we hadn't warmed it up as seems to be the concensus, then we may have been thrown INTO phpbb_an ice age earlier. I think we should always look to keep polution down to an absolute minimum, and perhaps this whole global warming things is being used as a stick to try and enforce it. What I can't stand is this rancid government using it as an excuse to pump the prices up on petrol etc as a money grabbing ploy. Volcanos belch out more gases than all our cars do in a lifetime. I hate it when causes are hijacked like this. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

23-11-2004, 12:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	One of our PPC's Steve Reed (name ring a bell Anthony ) spoke out on this very subject. He was of course ridiculed and abused by the usual mob. Anyone who doesn't follow the rest of the sheep, without question, always is I'm afraid! However, when you actualy sit down and talk to people about it, 9 time out of 10, they normaly come to the opinion that it is all a big con, but there is nothing that can be done about it. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

23-11-2004, 12:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	I would recomend that everyone should at least look at http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Blair.htm Roy is right, it is essential reading. I would love to see Blair confronted with the information here, but alas I fear a text message could not get all this info in it. He wouldn't answer it anyway, as he doesn't want to ruin his lovely illusion, that he can use on us over and over again, to keep us in fear and squeeze the last drops of tax money out of us. Perhaps someone else on the web will give an answer to this damning evididence. I am off to see if I can find someone now! I have emailed the Green party, asking if one of their experts can shed light on why they think the above website is wrong. I will post any reply here! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

27-12-2004, 11:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	Warm Front This is just a lot of Hot air! 8)

22-11-2004, 01:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,431 Party: None	This is why they have changed the name to "climate change"; because the science of "global warming" is questionable. That doesn't mean that it is necessarily wrong, just that we don't really know enough about it. I think that I would rather take a cautious approach until we know definitively, rather than providing a blank cheque to the industrial nations to spew out as much pollution as they like. It can't be a bad thing to reduce out pollution levels in cities anyway, regardless of the environmental effects.

22-11-2004, 11:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Roy London Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 5	I fear you may both not be aware of the scale of the deception that is taking place and the motivation behind it. As I said, do a search on "maurice strong" and print up some of the results to read over coffee or in the loo! You'll be horrified. As for climate change: please read some of the articles by Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London. You could start at here - his own site. I shall try to provide some more useful links. It goes without saying of course, that Professor Stott is already the subject of vitriol and pillorying for daring to speak the truth against the current orthodoxy. * * * A petition circulated to scientists rejecting the Kyoto Protocol has been signed by over 17,000 individuals including over 2,000 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers and environmental scientists. An additional 4,400, according to the petition’s sponsors, are qualified to assess the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth’s plant and animal life and most of the remaining signers have technical training suitable to understanding climate change issues. You can see the petition here http://www.oism.org/pproject/ On this page http://www.envirotruth.org/myth_experts.cfm you will find a list of experts who reject man-made climate change and their contact details (wonder why the BBC never contact them?) Here's a simple but useful little page http://www.kafalas.com/urbcol74.htm This is a useful page, especially for any Christians deceived by worshippers of Mother Earth http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1106.htm THIS PAGE IS A MUST: http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Blair.htm Beware: the global warming hysteria is the creation of one-worlders ... and it's working a treat!

23-11-2004, 12:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Roy London Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 5	It's something all those who cherish freedom need to wake up to. It's such a seductive weapon. Its greatest threat is in its apparent innocence and its attraction to caring (but gullible) people who have no idea they are being duped and used. Global warming is one huge, great nasty Trojan horse, essential to the plans of those who want a global, undemocratic form of government.

28-12-2004, 09:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 797	Roy London Well done on starting this topic. A few weeks ago I spent 2 days following all the links on Global Warming - What a surprise, have we been fooled or what? It is amazing that the USA are slated for not signing up to the Koyoto, but as their representative said on radio 4 about 3 weeks ago - Its the wrong science. From surfing I glean that Green house gases (that sound nasty), 60 - 70% is water! The sun has been closest to the earth for 400 years and increased sun spot activity directly corrolates to the small tempeature rise. I asked a senior Met forecaster about global warming vs CO2 and he said there has been no proven direct link! So how come we have all the hype?

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