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I know wind turbines are unreliable and inefficient, but wave power and solar power will always be avaiable, and should be used once oil, gas runs outs. They are expensive to start up, but in the long run they are cheap to run. More nuclear power stations should be built.Lefties moan that they could blow up, unlikely this is'nt USSR!

MarkR

Ah the "It couldn't happen here" defence!
Did you miss all the accidents at Sellafield nee Windscales over the years? Mostly due to human error, humans being what they are.
I don't much like the idea of nuclear but I fear we don't have much choice if we want to keep the lights on.

Britannist

The problem is - wave and solar power (like wind power) don't deliver a stable supply of electricity for 24 hours a day. Solar power, obviously, doesn't work at night.

The only answer is nuclear. Or energy from power stations which would operate by burning waste (instead of coal and/or gas which will run out one day). The EU hates such power stations (because it claims that emit carbon emissions) but there is so much rubbish in the world - a huge number of power stations could operate around the globe on burning the billions of rubbish bags we throw out every week in all the industrialised nations.

The solutions to a potential energy crisis are probably readily available - only the EU stands in the way of solving many of these problems.

Besoeker

Yes. But it would be perverse to think that the industry has not learned from such errors.
Actually, many of the incidents reported are not at all related to the nuclear process.

Sure, accidents happen.

Besoeker

The rate of change of CO2.

Hartlepool

So,anyone have the numbers for the deaths from British Nuclear establishments over the last half century or so.

Deaths from radiation exposure other than conjecture.

Also,if they have those numbers,perhaps they will have the numbers for the conventional power/energy producers and/or suppliers.

A good comparison should be readily available these days I would think.

Besoeker

I did some digging a while back - no pun intended - and deaths from coalmining in UK were around 200,000.

Worldwide deaths from renewables I also have somewhere.
I'll try to find it - might be on one of my other PCs.

MarkR

And yet they continue. Someone is always building a better class of idiot.

Besoeker

Yes, but by learning from past errors, industrial accidents and injuries are reducing pretty much accross the board.
There is better training, better awareness, better understanding, and better mamagement of risks.

Hartlepool

Tell you what MarkR,If you wish,you can provide your total fatalities list for the whole Nuclear field in this country for the last fifty years or more and we will put it up against ANY INDUSTRY in this country.

Note.There is no safer Industry of similar size or age as the British Nuclear
Industry.It beats the Oil,Gas,Coal and renewables hands down for safety and is one hell of a constant Energy/Power supplier.We have no choice and need a lot more of the NPS/NPPs. Time to fully back Nuclear,the Oil/Gas Giants wont like it much,but,have they ever done for anyone but themselves and the corrupt politicians who peddle there propaganda machines.