Thread: Monmouthshire divides Plaid Cymru & Engilsh Democrats

Originally Posted by Steve Uncles

Mon 28 Jun 2010 By Robin Tilbrook Home Truths

Is Plaid Cymru a serious nationalist party? | WalesHome.org

Last but not least in Wales, when offered the opportunity to campaign for a referendum to decide democratically whether the people of Monmouthshire are Welsh or English, Plaid Cymru remain unwilling to engage in a political debate which might be one of the most significant in getting people on both sides of our national borders to focus on their developing sense of Welshness or Englishness.

In the EU elections last year the English Democrats stood for the first time across the whole of England and despite our tiny campaign budget got 279,801 votes (more than twice Plaid Cymru’s 126,702).

England population 50 millions, Wales population 3 millions

Originally Posted by Steve Uncles

Mon 28 Jun 2010 By Robin Tilbrook Home Truths

In this year’s General Election we stood 107 candidates (more than Plaid Cymru and the Scottish National Party put together).

There are only 40 seats in wales, PC stood in all and has three (3) MPs.

Originally Posted by Steve Uncles

Mon 28 Jun 2010 By Robin Tilbrook Home Truths
So you might think that a serious Welsh nationalist party would be making every effort to help our progress and thereby build a constituency in England that would welcome constitutional change for Wales. Instead Plaid Cymru’s leadership has refused to even meet us.

The reason for this refusal, that was given by their leadership, was that Plaid Cymru would not work with a political party that was “Eurosceptic”.

This is not what it says in the e-mail to Mr Uncles where it says that the reason given to Mr Tilbrook in 2009 was that the EDP stand againts PC in elections.

Originally Posted by Steve Uncles

Mon 28 Jun 2010 By Robin Tilbrook Home Truths
In the coming Welsh Assembly elections, the English Democrats will be standing in the South East Welsh Assembly region where we will continue our campaign for the people of traditional Monmouthshire to have a referendum on a question that only a modern, democratic, nationalist party could pose i.e. do the people of Monmouthshire wish to be English or Welsh? Because the media coverage rules require it, we shall also be standing in the Regional lists throughout Wales on the ticket “English Democrats – for a Proper Welsh National Parliament”.

My sincere hope is that either Plaid Cymru will support us in this campaign or that a more effective Welsh nationalist party will emerge.

Is this man for real? He says that they are standing against Plaid in all of the seats in Wales. (I expect that it will be with mainly English candidates again rather than Welsh ones) But he wants Plaid to support them!

I leave you with a proverbial quotation from St Matthew’s Gospel, Chapter 7, verse 19:
”Every tree that bringeth forth not good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire”.

Has YOUR policy “brought forth good fruit" in Monmouthshire?
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It is this sort of thing that is giving English nationalism a bad name.

If ,and this is a big if, Monmouth decided to be English, and soon we hope we will have an English parliament or equivalent, would the extra area and peoples put a financial burden on the English. It would do even in today's political climate. The **** barnett formula, pays for their health, education and other things.
It is bad enough we have to give them more money per head than we get, you want to then burden the English taxpayer with more expense by adding to our population it would not change what the (ahem so called) government (****) give them, just add to our burden along with the liberal views on immigrants and it will just spiral out of control again.

Monmouth is not important to England at this moment in political history, we have enough on our plate trying to fight for the injustice that is happening everyday.
England needs fighting for, not territorial boundaries.
Even Scotland has got the sense not to fight for Berwick because of the fiscal costings that will burden their way of life.

You have told me that before, and it has not helped you so far. You are supposed to represent a party for the people and most importantly a party for the English, yet you are not willing to listen to them.
We are not interested in Monmouthshire, we want a better England. Not interested in territorial matters, they can be sorted later.
Hold a poll for it or a referendum let the people of your party decide, before you make another mistake.

No offence Jamie but it matters not what we think, it is the wishes of the people of Monmouthshire that count.

In 2007 the EDP gave them the chance to vote for a party that was trying to get a referendum so that the could vote to free themselves from the Welsh prison where they had been consigned, without a fair trial, by the wicked British state.

From their side of the border things must look a little different. Not only did they NOT vote overwhelmingly for the EDP but more of them voted Plaid than voted EDP.

The EDP stood thirteen (13) candidates in the Welsh Assembly elections, not one of them was from Monmouthshire, or even from Wales. All 13 were from England, Yorkshire, Hampshire, Essex, Kent etc. This is allowed for under the Welsh Assembly election rules.

It has been over three years since those elections and the EDP has not fielded a single candidate in any local election or By-election in that time. That could be because the rules say that you have to reside in, or have a connection with, the district you wish to be a councillor for.
From this it could be deduced that the EDP still have no members in Monmouthshire or at least none with a strong enough feeling about the issue to be willing to stand under the EDP banner.

When they did not put up even a paper candidate in the GE I thought that they must have seen sense and realised it was just a silly gimmick.

Will the EDP have Welsh candidates for Welsh elections next year?
I doubt it.

Or will yet another ‘British’ party be forcing its ideas onto the Welsh people by telling them that they don’t know what is best for themselves and it is only the leaders of the EDP that do know?
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None taken and I get your point, but the members should be consulted before putting themselves behind something that has the party name behind it.
Democracy is a fickle thing and if you call yourselves Democrats, surely by acting democratically within will show the country that is what you exactly are.
Or just have another alliance for democracy debate. And that went down like a lead balloon and they lost members over it.

By the way Mr Uncles.

Who are the Engilsh Democrats mentioned in the title?
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