Thread: Alan England

Originally Posted by Toque

Alan England on an attempt by Scottish crofters to petition the United Nations for the rights of an indigenous people:

"As we know, the BRITISH Government has not ratified that charter! So, we must keep an eye on it to see whether these non-English Brits secure British ratification which, if illegal discrimination is to be avoided, should apply also to the indigenous people of England, the English!"

Yep, Gareth believes it would simply be too awful for the English to be accorded equality; his AGENDA is discrimination against the English.


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Originally Posted by cassie

I suppose it's too simple to consult the English Democrats website and the official pronouncements?

Could you direct me to the page of the English Democrats' website that details what their precise involvement with the England Lobby is?

And which page on the English Democrats' website should I visit for information on their involvement with the England First Party?

Originally Posted by Toque

Alan on racism:

"We frequently hear calls for so called minorities to be given special treatment ~ "positive discrimination" ~ so that they can have 'role models' and be encouraged to seek authority over us in England. However, the clear message from Ealing Southall (and other areas where non-whites predominate) is that THEY will discriminate negatively against white people."

Yep, another subject too difficult for old Youngie which is why he records no opinion.


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Originally Posted by Mr Rob

Cassie

So you're not denying any of it then?

Denying what? Can you be more specific? No, of course not! How could you make so many innuendos otherwise!


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Toque, I think it is a secret arrangement to hoodwink their supporters and the electorate. It has failed though and Gareth whoever has exposed them which has brought a lot of abuse on his head.
I would add that Uncles and England have done much damage to English nationalism. They have caused you decent English nationalists to have many unnecessary hurdles to surmount.

Originally Posted by Toque

What we're looking for in the above is an agenda, a set of ideological or political goals that motivate Alan England (and possibly the English Democrats who engage his services), and how this connects with the campaign for an English parliament.

Gareth, Oh Gareth, Oh Gareth! You really must cease presuming to speak for others! 'We' indeed! I know you feel inadequate pitted against the maestro, but you simply must not resort to these dishonest devices! I shall only draw attention to them and your deceptions. You know - as when unspecified 'denials' are transformed by you into 'very accusations'.

Originally Posted by Toque

What is Alan's main agenda?

Is it white (indigenous) rights?

An English parliament?

Stopping Islam?

Stopping multiculturalism?

Does Alan see them all as part of the same battle?

You've omitted the EU bonzo!
Gareth presumes to lead such a thread without once dipping his toe into the water. What is his agenda? Quite simply it is to be as destructive as possible.

Originally Posted by Toque

I'm particularly interested to hear whether you think that Alan's agenda is complementary to the political goal of the English Democrats, or whether they sometimes obscure, or even bring into disrepute, the political objective of the party.

Now why does Gareth Young pose these questions? Are they based on the premise that all the members and supporters of ALL the other political parties in the UK have 'agendas' which are 'complementary to the political objectives' of their respective parties, or is Gareth perchance singling out the English Democrats and me for this special treatment?

Originally Posted by Toque

Certainly there are things on this forum that the self-hating liberals out there seem to find objectionable.

It is typical of the dishonesty of this pathetic 'scientist' that he does not specify those 'certain things' nor the 'self-hating liberals' he prays in aid! Yes, Gareth! Give yourself every dubious advantage to concoct a highy dubious case.

Originally Posted by Toque

Is it the concept of an English Parliament that they object so strongly to, or is it the English Democrats for other reasons?

No, this is the product of your fevered mind.

Originally Posted by Toque

Is it an undercurrent of racial resentment that they find distasteful - the sense that there is some other agenda?

Nah, it's only your vexatious mind trying to justify creating controversy.

Originally Posted by Toque

Or perhaps they just don't like the insinuation that they are anglophobic, simply because they do not agree with the English Democrats.

Who are these mythical 'they'? Do you have voices in your head talking to you Gareth?

Originally Posted by Toque

There's certainly something about the English Democrats that rubs people up the wrong way.

Only a conceited, inadequate ass would presume to speak for others in this manner.

Originally Posted by Toque

I'm yet to put my finger on it, but over the coming weeks, maybe as part of a series, we should study the 'agendas' of individual English Democrats to see what motivates each of them.

Why?

Originally Posted by Toque

Try to pin them down just as they are keen on pinning others down with their insistence that everyone but everyone has an agenda.

More fictitious drivel from someone unable to explain himself.

Originally Posted by Toque

Alan has left a rich trail of opinion and political thought for us to examine and analyse in order that we might contextualise his ideas on race and ethnicity and Islam within his support for the English Democrats Party and his Directorship of their satellite organisation, The English Lobby.

I don't suppose you've ever considered asking me? So much for your idea of a civilised society!

Originally Posted by Toque

Making sense of the juxtaposition of often conflicting ideals will be a challenge for all of us, as was the alliance of civic and ethnic nationalists in the North West, but it is only by studying the agendas driving the subjects that we can begin to understand this slow motion car crash that the English Democrats have embarked upon.

Still spouting your mumbo jumbo I see. How about a definition of 'civic nationalism' from Gareth, someone who eschews any civic duties whatsoever? 'Slow motion car crash'! You are so twee!

Originally Posted by Toque

Could you direct me to the page of the English Democrats' website that details what their precise involvement with the England Lobby is?

And which page on the English Democrats' website should I visit for information on their involvement with the England First Party?

Do you treat other political parties in similar fashion - the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems?

Which page on the SNP's website do you visit for information about their involvement with Plaid Cymru and vice versa?

No, you single out the English Democrats for this treatment.

Keep going! We really haven't finished yet!


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Originally Posted by david H

Toque, I think it is a secret arrangement to hoodwink their supporters and the electorate. It has failed though and Gareth whoever has exposed them which has brought a lot of abuse on his head.
I would add that Uncles and England have done much damage to English nationalism. They have caused you decent English nationalists to have many unnecessary hurdles to surmount.

What pray do you claim to have done for English nationalism?

Can you be one of those 'self-hating liberals' old Youngie was on about?


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This is hilarious.

Well done Gareth. This is a good example of just how the EDP have let down the English - and why 'Cassie' and Uncles are the guilty parties.

I see, Alan, that you have failed to answer a single question Gareth asked you. Says it all.

England is in trouble - on that I agree with you. Where are its champions? Laughing about Pakistanis, mocking black people and sneering about 'foreign' carnivals. nothing to offer except bitterness.

Trouble is, the English don't like this, you see. Historically, culturally, we've always been a pretty tolerant people. Most of the attendees at the Notting Hill Carnival are English, you know. We don't like extremists much, or bigots, and we don't define ourselves by our whiteness. We like to live and let live. Justice we need, certainly, and we don;t like people taking the ****, self-hating liberals or otherwise. But people like you - well, you just get laughed at. Just watch what happens on Thursday. One big giggle, then we'll turn away.