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    Mr Rob ...So whats your point...you come on here just to seek argument?

    Have you done this to any other party or do you have an agenda?
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    Englander1

    You know why I came here - I followed Uncles from one of his cut and paste raids from another blog.

    Very soon after I found out he was running for public office, and wanted to find out more about him and his party.

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    So what is your agenda other than being somekind of bloodhound over a copy and paste from a blog.....do you have an agenda?

    Do you think you are being logical in your comments or are you just here to cause an argument so that your mate can continue his over the top reaction?

    Tell me i am interested.

    What are your political views perhaps we can discuss?

    The English Democrats are campaigning to put the interests of the people of England First....do you feel we have a valid cause? Have you read our policies?

    From what I can see this all started because your freind wrongly commented that Westminster was the English Parliament...am I wrong on this point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Englander 1 View Post
    So what is your agenda other than being somekind of bloodhound over a copy and paste from a blog.....do you have an agenda?
    You English Democrats are overly concerned with the 'agendas' of others. You fail to appreciate that we are the voters and you are the political party seeking our votes.

    You are answerable to us, not the other way around. At least if you want our votes, that is.

    I appreciate that you've spent your time populating the sordid pit that is this forum you are probably conscious of hidden agendas and ulterior motives, who wouldn't be having spent the best part of a four years rubbing shoulders with neo-Nazis and trying to poach members from UKIP and the BNP. You are right to be paranoid.

    What is the agenda of the English Democrats; why do you think it is desirable to poach members from the BNP, and; why do you court the neo-Nazis of the EFP?

    You seem content to dismiss critics of the English Democrats as 'anglophobic', or 'self-hating liberals', or 'anti-English', and to poke fun at suicide victims. And critics of the English Lobby, set up by the English Democrats former Vice Chairman and run by your leader and 'Cassie', you dismiss 'anti-white'.

    Is that your agenda? White Rights.

    You are a pathetic bunch. Questions have been asked of you and you have failed to answer them, instead offering to 'take discussions off-line' and resorting to smears.

    You are a disgrace Mr David Lane. Hang your head. Join Uncles in his bunker.

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    During the course of my time here I have repeatedly stated that John Demetriou is not my mate or my friend.

    In the first instance I was merely amazed by Uncles' behaviour, which is extremely bad blog etiquette.

    Having found out that he was standing in the elections, I wanted to find out more.

    Strangley, I do not set much store by what politicians say in their manifestos - do you, for example, believe what you read in any of the main parties' manifestos? But this person Uncles was seeking to represent my region (a term I dislike but am stuck with for now) of my country - and would probably be able to pocket about £200,000 of taxpayers' money excluding his salary were he to succeed.

    So finding out a bit more about him seemed sensible. He had to be drawn out, of course, because he seems to like spouting meaningless slogans - but drawn out he was.

    He has crowed over the suicide of an opponent, he has wished the same fate upon another, he has agreed that to criticise the English Democrats and their manifesto is anti-English, he has then tried to change what he said to not voting for your party being anti-English.

    There is no way that I want this man to be representing me or my country in the European Parliament. His party could have the best policies in the world, but they are utterly irrelevant, as I would not trust him to remain true to them, nor have the political ability to effect them against even the most feeble opposition if he did.

    I would also have great difficulty in believing anything I read from the English Democrats at the moment, knowing they are happy to have this man represent them. I would trust neither the motives, nor the judgement of such people.

    You will probably still think that I have some hidden, political agenda - I would suggest, and it is of course only my opinion, that until such time as you lose this bunker mentality, and take note of the impression you make on people who until three days ago had never even heard of you, you will make no meaningful headway.

    No matter how sensible your policies, or how strongly and genuinely you may believe in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toque View Post
    You English Democrats are overly concerned with the 'agendas' of others. You fail to appreciate that we are the voters and you are the political party seeking our votes.

    You are answerable to us, not the other way around. At least if you want our votes, that is.

    I appreciate that you've spent your time populating the sordid pit that is this forum you are probably conscious of hidden agendas and ulterior motives, who wouldn't be having spent the best part of a four years rubbing shoulders with neo-Nazis and trying to poach members from UKIP and the BNP. You are right to be paranoid.

    What is the agenda of the English Democrats; why do you think it is desirable to poach members from the BNP, and; why do you court the neo-Nazis of the EFP?

    You seem content to dismiss critics of the English Democrats as 'anglophobic', or 'self-hating liberals', or 'anti-English', and to poke fun at suicide victims. And critics of the English Lobby, set up by the English Democrats former Vice Chairman and run by your leader and 'Cassie', you dismiss 'anti-white'.

    Is that your agenda? White Rights.

    You are a pathetic bunch. Questions have been asked of you and you have failed to answer them, instead offering to 'take discussions off-line' and resorting to smears.

    You are a disgrace Mr David Lane. Hang your head. Join Uncles in his bunker.
    Mr Gareth how very dare you.....and there was me thinking you supported the English cause.

    One must question your agenda and your recent actions....but we will save that for another day.

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    That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Rob View Post
    Englander1

    During the course of my time here I have repeatedly stated that John Demetriou is not my mate or my friend.

    In the first instance I was merely amazed by Uncles' behaviour, which is extremely bad blog etiquette.

    Having found out that he was standing in the elections, I wanted to find out more.

    Strangley, I do not set much store by what politicians say in their manifestos - do you, for example, believe what you read in any of the main parties' manifestos? But this person Uncles was seeking to represent my region (a term I dislike but am stuck with for now) of my country - and would probably be able to pocket about £200,000 of taxpayers' money excluding his salary were he to succeed.

    So finding out a bit more about him seemed sensible. He had to be drawn out, of course, because he seems to like spouting meaningless slogans - but drawn out he was.

    He has crowed over the suicide of an opponent, he has wished the same fate upon another, he has agreed that to criticise the English Democrats and their manifesto is anti-English, he has then tried to change what he said to not voting for your party being anti-English.

    There is no way that I want this man to be representing me or my country in the European Parliament. His party could have the best policies in the world, but they are utterly irrelevant, as I would not trust him to remain true to them, nor have the political ability to effect them against even the most feeble opposition if he did.

    I would also have great difficulty in believing anything I read from the English Democrats at the moment, knowing they are happy to have this man represent them. I would trust neither the motives, nor the judgement of such people.

    You will probably still think that I have some hidden, political agenda - I would suggest, and it is of course only my opinion, that until such time as you lose this bunker mentality, and take note of the impression you make on people who until three days ago had never even heard of you, you will make no meaningful headway.

    No matter how sensible your policies, or how strongly and genuinely you may believe in them.
    So Mr Rob are you just here to continue this storm in a teacup or are you here because you feel you have something important to say about the current state of democracy in this country.

    Dont doubt our resolve or the commitment of our organisation to give the people of England a Voice.

    It is dissappointing we seem to have got off on the wrong footing.

    Like I say if you wish to discuss our policies please feel free to post something we can talk about.
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    That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Englander 1 View Post
    One must question your agenda and your recent actions....but we will save that for another day.
    Repeat your paranoid agenda theories until you're blue in the face for all I care.

    When the leading intellects of a party (Uncles, Cassie, Danny and you, if this forum is representative) are a bunch of conspiracy theorists incapable of publicly defending the party's agenda, then probably the only bolt-hole is to convince yourself that it's other people who have the hidden agenda.

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    We know Toque...we know... aint you a little star!
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    That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill

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    Englander1

    OK, no problem for me, you will remain where you are, or more likely disintegrate in time, like all organisations that refuse to learn and are incapable of adaptation.

    And as long as you think it is a clever debating tactic to pose either/or questions such as

    "So Mr Rob are you just here to continue this storm in a teacup or are you here because you feel you have something important to say about the current state of democracy in this country"

    as if there were no possiblilty of other explanations, you will come across as an amateur, stuck somewhere below the level of a sixth-form debating club, who unaccountably thinks that adults will fall for it.

    I do not doubt your resolve and your commitment - can't you read? I doubt your ability.

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