"Patriotic Nationalist Alternative" English Democrats, SNP & PC

**cassie** · 18-05-2009 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

A very well reasoned argument on both main points.

From your first point.

Do you know if your Chairman knew anything about the EDP's working deal with the far right England First Party? It seems that not all were consulted. Though I do not see the EDP taking on any of the EFP white English only views at present.

I don't suppose you'd care to give full details which support your allegation of "EFP white only" views? A link to the relevant part of the EFP's website might help, but it's so much easier to make allegations in the hope that mud sticks!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

From your second point, I have mentioned on this forum, somewhere, about the lack of clarity as to the meaning of the posters.
I was told, to the effect, "that is because you don't support English Democrats."

If it is so important to you, have you ever thought of contacting the English Democrats direct?

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Finally, do not judge Richard to much from his Richard The Lionheart username.
I too have difficulty in identifying with a guy with a funny accent taking us into foreign wars and bankrupting the country. It seems to close for comfort.
It is only a username!

Does it really matter? Whether or not he is to be well regarded, Richard-the-Lionheart is part of England's history.

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**ANGLO-STAFFS** · 18-05-2009 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by cassie

I don't suppose you'd care to give full details which support your allegation of "EFP white only" views? A link to the relevant part of the EFP's website might help, but it's so much easier to make allegations in the hope that mud sticks!

The two quotes below are from the England First Party site, it may give you a hint of the views that your partner party in the EFP/EDP hold

The famous 14 words
. "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

The abolition of all non-European faiths and religions along with the removal of all their mosques and temples.

I know from the other thread this morning that you have a problem trying to use a search engine, so I have added a link again
(Yup, you click on the blue bit)

England First Party - Fighting Anti White Racism

Although I would have thought it would have been a good idea to have read this before a deal was done with England First.

If it is so important to you, have you ever thought of contacting the English Democrats direct?

Yes I have, 'talking' and 'brick walls' come to mind

Does it really matter? Whether or not he is to be well regarded, Richard-the-Lionheart is part of England's history.

I think you will find I was making a topical joke!
Does everything have to be explained to you?

You really are becoming an Uncles clone

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**cassie** · 18-05-2009 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

The two quotes below are from the England First Party site, it may give you a hint of the views that your partner party in the EFP/EDP hold

The famous 14 words
. "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

The abolition of all non-European faiths and religions along with the removal of all their mosques and temples.

I know from the other thread this morning that you have a problem trying to use a search engine, so I have added a link again
(Yup, you click on the blue bit)

England First Party - Fighting Anti White Racism

Although I would have thought it would have been a good idea to have read this before a deal was done with England First.

Perhaps we are nearing the core of this subject. Now, kindly explain what is unacceptable about the aspiration: ""we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"?

What is your opinion of "We must secure the existence of people who are black or who are from other ethnic minority groups"?

Don't be coy! Don't hold back . . . you certainly don't when you're being facetious and insulting. Expatiate about the reasons why these and other aims are unacceptable?

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**cassie** · 18-05-2009 01:34 PM

STAFFIE! STAFFIE!! Where are you? Licking your wounds?

Cat got your tongue? STAFFIE stuffed!!

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**ANGLO-STAFFS** · 18-05-2009 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by cassie

Perhaps we are nearing the core of this subject. Now, kindly explain what is unacceptable about the aspiration: ""we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"?

What is your opinion of "We must secure the existence of people who are black or who are from other ethnic minority groups"?

Don't be coy! Don't hold back . . . you certainly don't when you're being facetious and insulting. Expatiate about the reasons why these and other aims are unacceptable?

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You are on very dangerous ground here cassie!

My view is that ""we must secure the existence and a future for all children"?

OK Cassie, a member of the England First Party would totally disagree with my views. Do members of the EDP hold with my views or the EFP?

Originally Posted by Cassie

Perhaps we are nearing the core of this subject. Now, kindly explain what is unacceptable about the aspiration: ""we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"?

What I find unacceptable with the above quote, but you seem to agree with, is the fact that
"we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
are known in English as The fourteen words. The EFP, BNP, NF hold to them.
In Europe most of the Neo-nazi parties have their own version of this mantra. (There is a implied "at any cost to others".)
I may be wrong, but I think it originates from the Ku Klux Klan in the USA. where I believe it was chanted at black lynchings.

Originally Posted by Cassie

What is your opinion of "We must secure the existence of people who are black or who are from other ethnic minority groups"?

I do not want to end the existence of ANY people. do you?

Believe me, I am being sincere when I say take care with using that phrase, it has far more meaning in racist circles than any fourteen individual words.
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**cassie** · 18-05-2009 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

You are on very dangerous ground here cassie!

My view is that ""we must secure the existence and a future for all children"?

OK Cassie, a member of the England First Party would totally disagree with my views. Do members of the EDP hold with my views or the EFP?

What I find unacceptable with the above quote, but you seem to agree with, is the fact that
"we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
are known in English as The fourteen words. The EFP, BNP, NF hold to them.
In Europe most of the Neo-nazi parties have their own version of this mantra. (There is a implied "at any cost to others".)
I may be wrong, but I think it originates from the Ku Klux Klan in the USA. where I believe it was chanted at black lynchings.

I do not want to end the existence of ANY people. do you?

Believe me, I am being sincere when I say take care with using that phrase, it has far more meaning in racist circles than any fourteen individual words.

My goodness! What an equivocal cove you've turned out to be! I don't recall such reticence when you posted your innuendos about the EDP and EFP far and wide!

Any chance of you actually answering my questions which cut to the very core of these matters?

I REPEAT: Explain what is unacceptable about the aspiration: ""we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"? [The clear implication of your post is that somehow this is not acceptable.]

What is unacceptable about: "We must secure the existence of people who are black or who are from other ethnic minority groups"?

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**marjem** · 18-05-2009 02:37 PM

We must secure the existance and future for all children! If their parents are living here legally and are contributing to our country the colour of their skin shouldn't matter. I think the main issue is the uncontrolled immigration because of our open borders. We have to regain control of our country by getting out of the EU as soon as possible.

**ANGLO-STAFFS** · 18-05-2009 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by cassie

My goodness! What an equivocal cove you've turned out to be! I don't recall such reticence when you posted your innuendos about the EDP and EFP far and wide!

Any chance of you actually answering my questions which cut to the very core of these matters?

I REPEAT: Explain what is unacceptable about the aspiration: ""we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"? [The clear implication of your post is that somehow this is not acceptable.]

What is unacceptable about: "We must secure the existence of people who are black or who are from other ethnic minority groups"?

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I did not think I had posted any innuendos about the EFP/EDP I said that they were linked in a very dodgy partnership and that Tilbrook and ex BNP members had shared a launch platform. Plain enough.

You are asking me to answer your racist questions. I WILL NOT answer then in the way you pose them.
Do you, cassie, or the EDP, want to segregate people according to colour?. It seems so from cassie's post.
Why, cassie, do you not want ALL children treated the same?
I find this very disturbing coming so close to the link with the EFP.

We all know that Cassie was a leading member of the EDP.
Then he was a leading attacker of the EDP.
Then he was again the best buddy of Steve Uncles.
Now he is defending the 14 words that are the cornerstone of the far-right English First party. Is another move on the cards?
I know that many members of the EDP did not believed his 'return to the flock' after the venom he piled onto Uncles. Maybe they were correct and all of his post such as this are aimed at damaging the EDP before he leaves.

Why do you want me the choose white or black? Why do you not want all people treated the same?

Germany got over this.
The southern states of the USA got over this.
South Africa got over this.

WHY CAN'T YOU?

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**cassie** · 18-05-2009 02:47 PM

Perhaps I can make my position clearer by amplifying my reaction to your post?

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

You are on very dangerous ground here cassie! [Methinks you are the one feeling threatened!]

My view is that ""we must secure the existence and a future for all children"?[This is NOT the question you appear to have considerable difficulty with.]

OK Cassie, a member of the England First Party would totally disagree with my views. Do members of the EDP hold with my views or the EFP?[I am not a spokesman for either the EDP or EFP,]

What I find unacceptable with the above quote, but you seem to agree with, is the fact that
"we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
are known in English as The fourteen words. The EFP, BNP, NF hold to them.
In Europe most of the Neo-nazi parties have their own version of this mantra. (There is a implied "at any cost to others".)
I may be wrong, but I think it originates from the Ku Klux Klan in the USA. where I believe it was chanted at black lynchings.

It seems rather wet to me to say that because a sentence is "known in English as the fourteen words" it is unacceptable! One is prompted to enquire whether stating it in Chinese or saying it has fifteen words would render it acceptable. I don't really care whether 'most' or even a few neo-nazi parties have other versions of the sentence. For you to suggest that this fairly ordinary sentence originated in the USA is not only departing from the point, but rather scraping the barrel, so to speak! It is as daft as saying that Hitler or Goebbels devised it and have world-wide copyright! As for the implied "at any cost to others", one can only be grateful that there seem to be limits on your imaginings here.

I am asking YOU to explain rationally what is unacceptable. There, I've clarified my request with the word 'rational'!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

I do not want to end the existence of ANY people. do you?

No, I don't, but you seem to have immense difficulty in applying such ideas to white people!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Believe me, I am being sincere when I say take care with using that phrase, it has far more meaning in racist circles than any fourteen individual words.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

**cassie** · 18-05-2009 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

I did not think I had posted any innuendos about the EFP/EDP I said that they were linked in a very dodgy partnership and that Tilbrook and ex BNP members had shared a launch platform. Plain enough.

THAT is plain innuendo! How would you like it if I were to say to your employer - always pre-supposing you have one - that you are dodgy?

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

You are asking me to answer your racist questions.

'Racist'? What a silly boy you are! You've well and truly exposed your ignorance!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

I WILL NOT answer then in the way you pose them.

Please yerself, as Frankie Howard used to say!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Do you, cassie, or the EDP, want to segregate people according to colour?

No! That direct and unequivocal enough for you?

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

It seems so from cassie's post.

You seem to be a very disturbed person!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Why, cassie, do you not want ALL children treated the same?

Errr! Where did you get this idea? More to the point, where have I ever said such a thing?

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

I find this very disturbing coming so close to the link with the EFP.

You'll find this even more disturbing then, unless you're a closet black boy! Black boys separate classes idea

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

We all know that Cassie was a leading member of the EDP.
Then he was a leading attacker of the EDP.
Then he was again the best buddy of Steve Uncles.

Funny! For once I asked for your opinion, and all we get is a big - dare I say it? - black smokescreen!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Now he is defending the 14 words that are the cornerstone of the far-right English First party.

I was merely trying to ascertain whether there is any substance to your innuendoes, but it seems I've touched a raw nerve! Here was I imagining that you'd be glad of the chance to explain yourself.

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Is another move on the cards?
I know that many members of the EDP did not believed his 'return to the flock' after the venom he piled onto Uncles. Maybe they were correct and all of his post such as this are aimed at damaging the EDP before he leaves.

You seem to have gone off on one here! Very sad!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Why do you want me the choose white or black? Why do you not want all people treated the same?

Now where have I asked you to make such a choice? It's Trevor Phillips who wants that and the Black Police Association!

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Germany got over this.
The southern states of the USA got over this.
South Africa got over this.

WHY CAN'T YOU?

More to the point, why can't you?

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