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Old 07-05-2008, 04:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So why haven’t we, the English been given an opportunity to vote on whether we would like a Parliament of our own? Surely, if it’s ‘right and proper’ that the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish were given a referendum on National determination, why isn’t it also ‘right and proper’ to give the same consideration to the English?

Is it right that the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish all have a double vote of
democracy. Both their own National legislature - as well as that of the UK
Westminster model - yet I as an Englishman only have one. Why am I being
democratically disenfranchised?

My Son cannot afford to pay for university tuition fees - and so will not be going
into further education. His contemporaries in Scotland do not have this problem,
as tuition fees have been abolished.

Is this all part of the ‘Union Dividend’?

If, as government ministers are always telling us, ‘devolution has strengthened
the Union’, - why are all three national legislatures either wholly or partly run
by Nationalist politicians?
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I look forward to the days when people will define themselves by their humanity rather than their country.
Still peddling this wet line I see! Tell us: how does one define oneself by one's humanity? In particular, could you concentrate on why 'humanity' is at variance with 'nationality'?

Then, if you have the time, perhaps you'll say something relevant to this thread, which is about why 85% of the UK's voters in England are permanently prevented from recording collective opinions about important constitutional issues? Presumably, your 'humanity' is supportive of democracy?




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Still peddling this wet line I see! Tell us: how does one define oneself by one's humanity? In particular, could you concentrate on why 'humanity' is at variance with 'nationality'?

Then, if you have the time, perhaps you'll say something relevant to this thread, which is about why 85% of the UK's voters in England are permanently prevented from recording collective opinions about important constitutional issues? Presumably, your 'humanity' is supportive of democracy?




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Interesting that you chose to avoid commenting on the rejection of the North East regional assembly by voters in a referendum.
Really? Why is that of interest unless you're another of those who persistently seek to divert discussion from a referendum for England as a nation in its own right to referenda in parts of England.

Quite simply, the north east referendum should not have been conducted, nor that for the greater London area! England should have been accorded equality of treatment and voters asked whether they want an English Parliament. Because both Scotland and Wales are too small, the English were denied parity of treatment.

The continued refusal to treat England as a nation whilst treating Scotland and Wales as such, is evidence that the UK constitutionally is dying, is inoperable, and will increasingly become so whilst the present situation continues.

There is widespread scepticism about official [government] announcements, and all that it will take to expose the true lack of authority and cohesion is a crisis which affects much of the English population . . . widespread shortage of petrol or of water, widespread flooding or contamination could trigger breakdown in society.

Many of us are now coming to the view that being British, being part of the UK is detrimental to the English. In consequence, questions arise about continued support for institutions which no longer serve us in the way we want.

In the meantime, we have to listen to the squabbling coming from North Britain whilst being excluded from the debate!



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Let's say this morally bankrupt government put an independence referendum before the whole of the UK, what would the EDP campaign for, a yes or no vote, knowing that a yes vote would result in an English parliament?
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Richard why are you posting in our forum surely you have much to discuss with your supporters?
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Oh, I have, but this is a serious question which you have failed to respond to. Are you evading the issue? The question I posed is meant to encourage serious debate.
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Richard you resigned as a member of the English Democrats please tell me why you are still so interested in what we think?
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I'm interested in what all political parties think, you are no exception, so don't flatter yourself.
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