The English did not vote on Scots devolution. They must do so on breaking up the Unio

Britannist · 11-05-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Britannist wrote: Under SNP (Scottish 'National' Party) plans Scotland would be dissolved into the EU Superstate now under construction where she would account for about 0.7% of the total EU population. The SNP would not only submerge Scotland into the EU single state but they would destroy the ancient Scottish Pound replacing it with the euro. The SNP seek to get sovereignty from Westminster and give it straight to their masters in the EU instead. They are euro-nationalists who are on the side of europe and not Scotland.

RJT wrote: Indeed, Scotland would in effect become extinct.

You are, of course, right RJT.

It is a dreadful thought that an ancient nation like Scotland could become extinct - but under the plans of the Scottish 'National' Party (the political arm of the EU in Scotland) - Scotland would be dissolved into the larger EU Superstate where she would be treated by those in charge of the EU as a subservient toothless regional EU statelet.

Richard the Lionheart · 11-05-2008, 04:06 PM

if Scotland vote for independence and to be absorbed into the EU superstate, that is their choice. The English should also have a vote to decide if they want independence. If England becomes an independent state, then we get an English parliament and out of the EU. If ever a vote is given to the people of England to join the EU, we all know how the vote will go!

Just think, an independent England means: no more Barnett, no more WLQ, no more EU, the creation of an English parliament, the end of Labour rule over England, and the re-emergence of the English nation state.

Aren't these all the things an English nationalist wants?

shagpile · 11-05-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Scotland could, of course, leave the UK if she wishes to. And the rest of the UK (Wales, Northern Ireland and England) would just carry on (in Union with each other) without her.

But no one in Scotland should think that under the europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party (SNP) Scotland would be independent.

Under SNP plans Scotland would be dissolved into the EU Superstate now under construction where she would account for about 0.7% of the total EU population. The SNP would not only submerge Scotland into the EU single state but they would destroy the ancient Scottish Pound replacing it with the euro.

The SNP seek to get sovereignty from Westminster and give it straight to their masters in the EU instead. They are euro-nationalists who are on the side of europe and not Scotland.

I think Scotland should stay in the UK - but if this Labour shower in power at Westminster do not let England have her own Parliament (to match the powers of the one in Scotland) then opposition to the UK in England will continue to rise and there may no UK Union left for Scotland to be a member of.

Britannist, hi.

Don't fall into that unionist trap. Firstly, independence is the main goal. Independence will deliver the means whereby we can vote on a constrtution, monarchy etc.

I'm always surprised at unionist predictions for an independent Scotland.

The best bit, (if our English cousins are up for it) is that we would be barred from membership of the EU! So, perhaps the easiest way to exit EU..... independence all round!

There's never a WLQ type question to cover that scenario when you need one though, is there? Perhaps too much libertarianism for one's head, don't you think.

shagpile · 11-05-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebirth

England will be fine with or without Scotland. Some of us just don't have the heart to sell Scotland out to Brussels. That job falls upon the fakes who used bigotry to gain support.

Absolutely, and long may be the case.

shagpile · 11-05-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Indeed, Scotland would in effect become extinct.

Warmest gratitude for your deepest concern there mate, thanks.

cassie · 11-05-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shagpile

No. Why should one person in a marriage veto a divorce? One partner decides to leave and the marriage is over, it's really that simple. How should this marriage/union be enforced, tanks & English troops on the Streets of Edinburgh? Ahhh, that's why Churchill is so popular amongst those of a 'British' persuasion.

I agree! Moreover, you double the chances of getting a divorce if both parties are permitted a say!

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shagpile · 11-05-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

I agree! Moreover, you double the chances of getting a divorce if both parties are permitted a say.

Cassie, do you agree with the tank scenario?

Labour want to push the referendum NOW! Why?

The Torys' now want England to have a say, Why? (And watch for Anabelle distancing herself from that one

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Interesting times ahead...... My view it'll be 2010, and we'll all be free of the EU state....... do you also agree?

tinks66 · 11-05-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

I agree! Moreover, you double the chances of getting a divorce if both parties are permitted a say!

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Cassie

I have but one thing to say to you......

Your a SUPERSTAR!!! & I for one would miss your views & comments...

Lee...populist..... miss him?.... oh good Lord no.....My heart would be broken if you left!!

Britannist · 11-05-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

...If England becomes an independent state, then we get an English Parliament and out of the EU.

Obviously I share your view that we must quit the EU and establish an English Parliament (there should be a national referendum on this in England just as there was in Scotland before the Scottish Parliament was set up) - but we can do these things without breaking the UK Union up. I want the Union of the UK to continue - and I think there would be majority votes for the Union to go on in all four parts of the UK if referendums were held today.

One of the biggest threats to the Union is this Labour shower in power at Westminster. By refusing to give England a Parliament of her own (just like the one in Scotland) Labour are causing anti-UK feeling to rise in England. Labour claim to be Unionist but their policies are weakening the UK.

No wonder Scottish 'National' Party (SNP) leader Salmond has a big smile on his face these days.

Britannist · 11-05-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shagpile

Britannist, hi. I'm always surprised at unionist predictions for an independent Scotland.

Thank you for your reply SP.

I want Scotland to remain part of the UK - but if she left it europhile politicians in Scotland such as Salmond (of the Scottish 'National' Party) would get rid of the euro and dissolve Scotland into the EU Superstate. Under the plans of his party there would be no independent Scotland.

It was only the other day that Salmond was again hinting that his party might get rid of the ancient Scottish Pound and replace it with the euro. The man can't wait to get the chance to carry out EU orders.

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Richard the Lionheart Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 497 Party: Free England Party	if Scotland vote for independence and to be absorbed into the EU superstate, that is their choice. The English should also have a vote to decide if they want independence. If England becomes an independent state, then we get an English parliament and out of the EU. If ever a vote is given to the people of England to join the EU, we all know how the vote will go! Just think, an independent England means: no more Barnett, no more WLQ, no more EU, the creation of an English parliament, the end of Labour rule over England, and the re-emergence of the English nation state. Aren't these all the things an English nationalist wants? __________________ The Free England Party - England's Premier Nationalist Party www.freeengland.com .....Serious about England

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