Aaarrgghh The English nationalist split, an idea before its time?

Aardvark · 04-05-2008, 08:59 AM

Sorry if this has already been posted, but it reminds me so much of you lot:

From Life of Brian scene 7:

Quote:

BRIAN:
Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG:
**** off!
BRIAN:
What?
REG:
Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS:
*******.
BRIAN:
Can I... join your group?

REG:
No. **** off.
BRIAN:
I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.
PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA:
Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.
REG:
Schtum.
JUDITH:
Are you sure?
BRIAN:
Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG:
Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN:
I do!
REG:
Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN:
A lot!
REG:
Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the ******* Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah...
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters...
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He's over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!

For Romans read EU, for Judaea read England.

Richard the Lionheart · 04-05-2008, 09:00 AM

Yes, heard it all before

cassie · 04-05-2008, 09:35 AM

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Yet another trivial, self indulgent thread I see!

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Northumbrian · 04-05-2008, 11:11 AM

What about the British nationalist split?

First we had the National Front, which split into the BNP.

Then we had the Referendum Party which split into UKIP which split into Veritas, and not forgetting the Popular Democrats.

Can't you just have one British nationalist party?

Andrew Constantine · 04-05-2008, 11:29 AM

Dear Aardvark

Let me make it clear that the EDs are a Unionist Party, that wants the UK to endure and has a generally right wing outlook.

The Free England Party want the Union to end and are radical in their outlook and generally are left of centre in their policies.

Apart from both wanting an English Parliament and both being anti-EU, the parties have little in common - and personal relations between the parties are in very poor shape.

In the London Assembly elections on 1 May, I stood against (and beat) the ED candidate for the South West constituency. I lost no sleep over this: why should I?

But I do agree that "The Life of Brian" is a very amusing film.

Regards, Andrew

Northumbrian · 04-05-2008, 12:01 PM

The problem with the EDP that its ethos is based on a negative. They want an English Parliament because Scotland has one and it's not fair we don't have one.... envy...etc.

And when you have effectively a campaign group based on a negative, it's easier to become disillusioned, which probably explains why so many EDP members drop out. And disillusionment leads to bitterness, which was evident in those anti-Scottish posters in London.

Whereas Free England is based on a positive - that English independence is a good thing to have. And when something is based on a positive it's much more enjoyable.

cassie · 04-05-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

Dear Aardvark

Let me make it clear that the EDs are a Unionist Party, that wants the UK to endure and has a generally right wing outlook.

The Free England Party want the Union to end and are radical in their outlook and generally are left of centre in their policies.

Apart from both wanting an English Parliament and both being anti-EU, the parties have little in common - and personal relations between the parties are in very poor shape.

In the London Assembly elections on 1 May, I stood against (and beat) the ED candidate for the South West constituency. I lost no sleep over this: why should I?

But I do agree that "The Life of Brian" is a very amusing film.

Regards, Andrew

Andrew, it is not wise to misrepresent the EDP in the way you do. For you continue to do so will provoke retaliation from them!

They could say that the FEP is a separatist party bent on separating England from the UK and kicking out Scots, Welsh and all other non-English people. [You might trouble to look up 'separatist', by the way.] I don't suppose that you'd care for that kind of misrepresentation, but you can hardly complain if you seek to promote the FEP by misrepresenting the EDP!

As I said earlier: This is "yet another trivial, self indulgent thread"! It has no constructive purpose. It merely invites unwary English nationalists to maintain divisions amongst themselves. Indeed, no one - including Aardvark, whose motives are thus questionable - has yet addressed the question of whether English nationalism is an idea before its time and, if so, why ~ especially in relation to Scottish, Irish and Welsh nationalisms!

Aardvark has merely singled out English nationalism [why?] to imply that it is the only form of nationalism riven by splits. Another question might be asked about why people here are so quick to bite?

Why don't you just get on with your own knitting?

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Andrew Constantine · 04-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northumbrian

The problem with the EDP that its ethos is based on a negative. They want an English Parliament because Scotland has one and it's not fair we don't have one.... envy...etc.

And when you have effectively a campaign group based on a negative, it's easier to become disillusioned, which probably explains why so many EDP members drop out. And disillusionment leads to bitterness, which was evident in those anti-Scottish posters in London.

Whereas Free England is based on a positive - that English independence is a good thing to have. And when something is based on a positive it's much more enjoyable.

You have put in just a few words above some essential truths, and which I intend to use again and again. Your thesis explains why we are naturally keen that Scotland and Wales prosper as independent nations too. We are about hope, confidence and national independence.

Regards, Andrew

cassie · 04-05-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northumbrian

The problem with the EDP that its ethos is based on a negative. They want an English Parliament because Scotland has one and it's not fair we don't have one.... envy...etc.

And when you have effectively a campaign group based on a negative, it's easier to become disillusioned, which probably explains why so many EDP members drop out. And disillusionment leads to bitterness, which was evident in those anti-Scottish posters in London.

Whereas Free England is based on a positive - that English independence is a good thing to have. And when something is based on a positive it's much more enjoyable.

I'd have to go far to hear another such self justifying, concoction and distortion of the English - yes! the ENGLISH - language! To assert the proposition that the desire for a separate English Parliament is somehow 'negative' is truly absurd!

If the FEP can't find better grounds for its existence that that, it should fold up immediately!

I can only conclude that, in the wake of the recent elections, you've seen over the abyss and become depressed about the FEP's prospects!

If you've nothing better to say than this, I suggest that you go and lie down in a darkened room until your composure is restored.

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Northumbrian · 04-05-2008, 08:47 PM

Of course it's based on a negative, Cassie. There wasn't much call, if any, for an English Parliament before devolution. People basically want it because it's unfair that we don't have one.

And by the way, I'm confident of the success of the FEP. Thanks for asking.

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Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 740	Reply to Aardvark Dear Aardvark Let me make it clear that the EDs are a Unionist Party, that wants the UK to endure and has a generally right wing outlook. The Free England Party want the Union to end and are radical in their outlook and generally are left of centre in their policies. Apart from both wanting an English Parliament and both being anti-EU, the parties have little in common - and personal relations between the parties are in very poor shape. In the London Assembly elections on 1 May, I stood against (and beat) the ED candidate for the South West constituency. I lost no sleep over this: why should I? But I do agree that "The Life of Brian" is a very amusing film. Regards, Andrew __________________ Andrew Constantine Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeenglandparty.org http://freeengland.blogspot.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

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04-05-2008, 09:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
cassie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,755	_______________________________ Yet another trivial, self indulgent thread I see! _________________________________

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Northumbrian Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 446	What about the British nationalist split? First we had the National Front, which split into the BNP. Then we had the Referendum Party which split into UKIP which split into Veritas, and not forgetting the Popular Democrats. Can't you just have one British nationalist party?

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Northumbrian Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 446	The problem with the EDP that its ethos is based on a negative. They want an English Parliament because Scotland has one and it's not fair we don't have one.... envy...etc. And when you have effectively a campaign group based on a negative, it's easier to become disillusioned, which probably explains why so many EDP members drop out. And disillusionment leads to bitterness, which was evident in those anti-Scottish posters in London. Whereas Free England is based on a positive - that English independence is a good thing to have. And when something is based on a positive it's much more enjoyable.

04-05-2008, 08:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Northumbrian Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 446	Of course it's based on a negative, Cassie. There wasn't much call, if any, for an English Parliament before devolution. People basically want it because it's unfair that we don't have one. And by the way, I'm confident of the success of the FEP. Thanks for asking.