News: Matt O'Connor personally liable with Election Expenses ?

KeyStage2 · 01-05-2008, 01:16 AM

By "withdrawing" for no valid reason, Matt O'Connor has defaulted on a contract to stand in the elections.

Individual English Democrats Activists could be claiming against Matt O'Connor for time and expenses spent collecting signatures, campaigning, and the specific Matt O'Connor publicity expenses.

English Democrats members gladly give there time to a fellow English Democrats, but not to a character who fails to honour his commitment.

Should Mr O'Connor contest the matter, then the Courts, will determine whether Matt O'Connors claims that the English Democrats "defaulted" on their side of the agreement is valid.

There is confidence in the English Democrats camp that no "default" took place.

Andrew Constantine · 01-05-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

By "withdrawing" for no valid reason, Matt O'Connor has defaulted on a contract to stand in the elections.

Individual English Democrats Activists could be claiming against Matt O'Connor for time and expenses spent collecting signatures, campaigning, and the specific Matt O'Connor publicity expenses.

English Democrats members gladly give there time to a fellow English Democrats, but not to a character who fails to honour his commitment.

Should Mr O'Connor contest the matter, then the Courts, will determine whether Matt O'Connors claims that the English Democrats "defaulted" on their side of the agreement is valid.

There is confidence in the English Democrats camp that no "default" took place.

Reading these posts by the ED's National Secretary must be like seeing a train crash in process. You know it's very nasty, but some appalled fascination makes people watch what's happening.

I could record various reflections on the above post, but confine myself to the observation that we have all been properly warned. Stand for the EDs as a candidate, sign one of their contracts and if working relations break down between you and this unusual party, expect to be spending lots of time with your lawyers.

An inviting prospect! Anyone who wishes to stand for the EDs in the Euro-elections in June 2009, form a queue here:

KeyStage2 · 01-05-2008, 09:00 AM

Ah! Mr Constantine, jumping to conclusions yet again.

It's not "the Party" that potentially have a case, it's those people who volunteered their own time, on the baisis that Mr Matt O'Connor was an honourable man, and was standing for the English Democrats party, and would see through his commitment as the London Mayoral Candidate.

Should Mr O'Connor have decided that the English Democrats party was "not the party for him", on 3 May 2008, then this is fair enough, but to pull out 1 week before an Election has a very, very nasty smell connected to it, and a feeling that it was a conspired plan.

His method of pulling out was 100% designed to cause maximum damage to the English Democrats Campaign.

The "Train Crash" as you put it occurred last week, this is the "accident investigation team".

Mr O'Connor's actions have simply stepped up the resolve of our activists to drive our points home harder.

The other thing you seem to forget is that the English Democrats have "Trains" running in Yorkshire, Essex, Portsmouth etc - not only London.

chikrodah · 01-05-2008, 09:02 AM

You got your candidate to sign a contract? Presumably drawn up by an independent solicitor and witnessed independently in front of at least a notary public?

Does any other party do this?

cassie · 01-05-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chikrodah

You got your candidate to sign a contract? Presumably drawn up by an independent solicitor and witnessed independently in front of at least a notary public?

Does any other party do this?

Is the existence of a written contract necessary to bring an action for fraud?

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Andrew Constantine · 01-05-2008, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentishman

Ah! Mr Constantine, jumping to conclusions yet again.

It's not "the Party" that potentially have a case, it's those people who volunteered their own time, on the baisis that Mr Matt O'Connor was an honourable man, and was standing for the English Democrats party, and would see through his commitment as the London Mayoral Candidate.

I did not say in my above post that "the Party" had a case, did I? So who is jumping to conclusions?

I still have this perhaps naive belief that most politcal activists mean well, and our simply trying to do their best for their local area or nation, as they see fit.

I would prefer that both backstabbing from colleagues and the threat of legal actions are very rare events in decent political activism. I intend they will remain well outside the party in which I am a member.

Ea of Dune · 01-05-2008, 02:14 PM

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I still have this perhaps naive belief that most politcal activists mean well, and our simply trying to do their best for their local area or nation, as they see fit.

I agree, however the Matt O'Connor quitting situation does look if not pre-meditated then vindictive. Considering the other details that seem to have come to light, and what looks like the ***** sturring thats been caused between your party and the ED's because of this apparently made up situation with him swaping parties, then I think Mr O'Connor might need a taste of his own medicine?

Ea of dune

arden forester · 01-05-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentishman

By "withdrawing" for no valid reason, Matt O'Connor has defaulted on a contract to stand in the elections.

Individual English Democrats Activists could be claiming against Matt O'Connor for time and expenses spent collecting signatures, campaigning, and the specific Matt O'Connor publicity expenses.

English Democrats members gladly give there time to a fellow English Democrats, but not to a character who fails to honour his commitment.

Should Mr O'Connor contest the matter, then the Courts, will determine whether Matt O'Connors claims that the English Democrats "defaulted" on their side of the agreement is valid.

There is confidence in the English Democrats camp that no "default" took place.

You couldn't take him to court for anything. Get real! The courts would be bulging with politicians all claiming this, that and the other. Starting with Lord Levy and tony Blair, of course!

01-05-2008, 01:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
KeyStage2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,914	Matt O'Connor personally liable with Election Expenses ? By "withdrawing" for no valid reason, Matt O'Connor has defaulted on a contract to stand in the elections. Individual English Democrats Activists could be claiming against Matt O'Connor for time and expenses spent collecting signatures, campaigning, and the specific Matt O'Connor publicity expenses. English Democrats members gladly give there time to a fellow English Democrats, but not to a character who fails to honour his commitment. Should Mr O'Connor contest the matter, then the Courts, will determine whether Matt O'Connors claims that the English Democrats "defaulted" on their side of the agreement is valid. There is confidence in the English Democrats camp that no "default" took place.

01-05-2008, 09:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
KeyStage2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,914	Ah! Mr Constantine, jumping to conclusions yet again. It's not "the Party" that potentially have a case, it's those people who volunteered their own time, on the baisis that Mr Matt O'Connor was an honourable man, and was standing for the English Democrats party, and would see through his commitment as the London Mayoral Candidate. Should Mr O'Connor have decided that the English Democrats party was "not the party for him", on 3 May 2008, then this is fair enough, but to pull out 1 week before an Election has a very, very nasty smell connected to it, and a feeling that it was a conspired plan. His method of pulling out was 100% designed to cause maximum damage to the English Democrats Campaign. The "Train Crash" as you put it occurred last week, this is the "accident investigation team". Mr O'Connor's actions have simply stepped up the resolve of our activists to drive our points home harder. The other thing you seem to forget is that the English Democrats have "Trains" running in Yorkshire, Essex, Portsmouth etc - not only London. Last edited by KeyStage2; 01-05-2008 at 09:04 AM.

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01-05-2008, 09:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,124	You got your candidate to sign a contract? Presumably drawn up by an independent solicitor and witnessed independently in front of at least a notary public? Does any other party do this?