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Old 03-05-2008, 02:45 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Actually it was incredible inacurate.

1.) The French princess was a child at the time
2.) Wallace was a Norman-Scot noble with family from Norman gentry in England
3.) He wouldn't have worn wode nor the dress gibson runs around in
4.) York was never invaded by the Scottish army
5.) It's doubtful that the lowlanders and the highlanders even spoke the same language let alone the nobility.
6.) That whole nonsense with the Irish running across the field, stopping and turning round on the Scots side is utter ********.
7.) Edward was given some toff Brit accent, probably on purpose to live up to sterotypes....

That's just a miniscule amount of the rubbish the film included. Gibson is known for his anti-English movies (as well as his anti-Sematism it would seem) I find it sad that people don't know enough of their own history to be taken in by such ****.

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You didn't read what I said or understand it. I was taling about the accuracy of the general English invasion of Scotland. If you are claiming Edward did not invade Scotland as he did Wales then you are incorrect. Other than that it is the usual you'd expect from a Hollywood movie, of course it is inaccurate in many ways, it call Edward a pagan.

Gibson isn't really anti-English, he was telling a story of the English invasion and attempt to conquer Scotland as he tried to tell the story of a bit of the American fight to free themselves from the British in the patriot.
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Firstly that is actually not very accurate secondly England was part of the Roman empire 2000 years ago, therefore it doesn't have a unique heritage. You have to actually look at what makes up their heritage.
Methinks you've shifted ground and ducked the question. Whose heritage? Perhaps you'll give us more particulars . . . if you are able to do so?

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We are not talking about race but heritage. Most British people from north Scotland to East Anglia are genetically the same ethnicity, it doesn't matter.
Once again, you have shifted ground and avoided the question. Whose heritage? What heritage? May we have particulars please?

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I conclude you have a very small grasp of this subject or anything meant for those over 12 years old.
I suppose someone on the losing end of a debate has to resort to generalisations and derogatory comments like this. Now, if you've so comprehensive a grasp of the 'subject', perhaps you'll tell us us what 'subject' you are referring to and demonstrate your alleged superiority in it? This should be easy for a self-proclaimed clever cove like you!

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Methinks you've shifted ground and ducked the question. Whose heritage? Perhaps you'll give us more particulars . . . if you are able to do so?
What ground? You are being absurd. Heritage means customs, culture, inde.ntity etc, it means more than being descended from a tribe 2000 years ago

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Once again, you have shifted ground and avoided the question. Whose heritage? What heritage? May we have particulars please?
The Cornish people's of course.

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I suppose someone on the losing end of a debate has to resort to generalisations and derogatory comments like this.
I think you have summed up your conduct well.

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Maybe you can discuss why you are bringing up dubiously accurate absurdities like Cornwall was part of the Dumnonii tribe 2000 years ago. It is even doubted whether Cornwall was part of this tribe and later Kingdom.

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But all this is meaningless, it doesn't change the fact that the heritage and identity of the Cornish people continued to evolve after that period.
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What ground? You are being absurd. Heritage means customs, culture, indentity etc, it means more than being descended from a tribe 2000 years ago
What ground? Well, let's just step back one on your latest evasion. I asked: "Whose heritage? Perhaps you'll give us more particulars . . . if you are able to do so?". Couldn't be much plainer than that. So, where are the particulars?

Thus far, we've had only generalisations [ie evasions] from you about 'customs' [unspecified], 'culture'[unspecified] and 'identity' [again, unspecified] 'etc' [well, that speaks for its vague self!]
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The Cornish people's of course.
Judged by your earlier evasions, I don't suppose you'd care to define what you mean by 'Cornish people' and what distinguishes them from English people?
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I think you have summed up your conduct well.
It was not I who avoided dealing with the substantive issue with petty remarks such as "you have a very small grasp of this subject or anything meant for those over 12 years old." The difference between you and me is that I attempt to substantiate my position with facts; you merely make sweeping assertions.
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Maybe you can discuss why you are bringing up dubiously accurate absurdities like Cornwall was part of the Dumnonii tribe 2000 years ago. It is even doubted whether Cornwall was part of this tribe and later Kingdom.

Dumnonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But all this is meaningless, it doesn't change the fact that the heritage and identity of the Cornish people continued to evolve after that period.
I would have thought that was obvious, but as you ask: it was to support my argument that the present inhabitants of Cornwall are not significantly different from other parts of England. Indeed, the very name Cornwall itself is relatively recent and, the fact of that territory and its occupants having formed part of and come under the jurisdiction of England for centuries, means that it meets the requirement for English nationality of having a shared culture, language and history.

You, for your part, have failed to substantiate any material differences. Indeed, you've rather conceded the process since ancient times with your admission of "the fact that the heritage and identity of the Cornish people continued to evolve after that period" It most certainly did - into Englishness!

Now, go on, resort once again to that well worn formula of yours when cornered of telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about! All other things being unequal, your Scottish upbringing and education serves you well.


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