Worrying - Page 2

BonnieDundee · 01-05-2008, 03:50 AM

In my experience Cornish feeling and wishes for autonomy are certainly very popular in Cornwall. More than half consider themselves Cornish over English. It is simply that like Scotland and its independence it is not an immediate priority for most people who have much more important things in their lives.

Personally I want much greater autonomy and I want Cornwall to be treated as a seperate nation like Wales or Scotland but I don't want to break up the union.

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 01-05-2008, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

In my experience Cornish feeling and wishes for autonomy are certainly very popular in Cornwall.

That's certainly not my experience. My experience is that most are proud to be Cornish - most don't care for an assembly or independence. It's certainly nowhere near what I've encountered in Wales, even in relatively passive places such as Cardiff.

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

More than half consider themselves Cornish over English.

True enough. But how far this extends to support for greater autonomy is up for debate. I know plenty of Cornish people who don't want it, plenty more who don't care.

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

It is simply that like Scotland and its independence it is not an immediate priority for most people who have much more important things in their lives.

I agree that most people consider their daily lives far more important, which is probably why the issue is not a high priority.

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Personally I want much greater autonomy and I want Cornwall to be treated as a seperate nation like Wales or Scotland but I don't want to break up the union.

While I'd support greater autonomy (as I would for all Counties in England), I don't want Cornwall to be treated as a separate Country, quite simply because it's not.

BonnieDundee · 01-05-2008, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

That's certainly not my experience. My experience is that most are proud to be Cornish - most don't care for an assembly or independence. It's certainly nowhere near what I've encountered in Wales, even in relatively passive places such as Cardiff.

Your experience is different from mine them. I certainly think most people ideally want one. There's certainly a problem with newcomers from the rest of the England or even further who perhaps don't share this feeling, and unfortunately they're becoming a larger segment of the population, but the native Cornish like my mother's family in which most lines can trace back their lineage for centuries certainly feel they ideally want autonomy and they feel similar to the Welsh or Scottish but with less intensity.

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True enough. But how far this extends to support for greater autonomy is up for debate. I know plenty of Cornish people who don't want it, plenty more who don't care.

I agree that most people consider their daily lives far more important, which is probably why the issue is not a high priority.

Yes it is not a high priority, but most people ideally do want it. Those you talk about who don't care most likely would ideally want one. I can't see any reason except the dubious one of not wanting more bureaucracy or not being actually Cornish and having recently moved there which would make people not want more autonomy.

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While I'd support greater autonomy (as I would for all Counties in England), I don't want Cornwall to be treated as a separate Country, quite simply because it's not.

Well your not actually Cornish in so I think that might explain your feelings, few of the English immigrants are boisterously Cornish. But I think what a country is is debatable. It certainly has a unique heritage, as unique as Wales or the IoM, and has alot of nationalist and seperatist feeling in a passive sort of way.It reminds me of places like Kosovo or Bosnia. It is unlike any part of the rest of England in its feelings of seperateness. I think it is very much similar to Wales and alot of Cornish people feel similar to the Welsh but with less intensity as the Welsh feel like the Scots but with generally less intensity.

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 01-05-2008, 04:17 AM

Either way I'm sure you'll agree that a referendum is needed, following a public consultation, to sort out once and for all how Cornwall should be governed. My worry is where it'll end - what's next, the revival of Wessex?

It's interesting to note, that the overwhelming majority of residents (some 80% when consulted by District Councils) opposed the Unitary Authority, which is supposed to be gaining extra powers from Westminster.

BonnieDundee · 01-05-2008, 04:24 AM

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Either way I'm sure you'll agree that a referendum is needed, following a public consultation, to sort out once and for all how Cornwall should be governed. My worry is where it'll end - what's next, the revival of Wessex?

Well that isn't my worry but my hope. But Wessex and Cornwall are very different. The Cornish really have a seperateness, it went down hill in the 19th century, often due like the Welsh to Westminister itself, but it is still strong.

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It's interesting to note, that the overwhelming majority of residents (some 80% when consulted by District Councils) opposed the Unitary Authority, which is supposed to be gaining extra powers from Westminster.

Cornwall already have a council. I thought unitary authorities were just for large towns and cities and such who wanted to have more autonomy from the county council.

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 01-05-2008, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Well that isn't my worry but my hope. But Wessex and Cornwall are very different. The Cornish really have a seperateness, it went down hill in the 19th century, often due like the Welsh to Westminister itself, but it is still strong.

Cornwall already have a council. I thought unitary authorities were just for large towns and cities and such who wanted to have more autonomy from the county council.

No. The Unitary Authority will replace the current County and District Councils. AFAIK, Unitary Authorities in other areas are completely independent of any other council.

BonnieDundee · 01-05-2008, 06:17 AM

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No. The Unitary Authority will replace the current County and District Councils. AFAIK, Unitary Authorities in other areas are completely independent of any other council.

Yes that was what I gathered. I knew they were independent or mostly independent but I don't see the real difference between one of these and a county council? It doesn't seem to make Cornwall any more autonomous.

Andrew Constantine · 01-05-2008, 08:24 AM

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Just one small comment.
I find it strange indeed that a small party of English patriots are deemed to warrant such vitriolic attack from people who purport to have the interests of their country at heart. It would appear that the English Democrats pose greater threat than the main parties. Why do we English turn on our own rather than face the enemy? Is this the inevitable fallout of political correctness or is it peculiar to this forum and due to personal conflicts. Either way appears self-destructive.

Fred

In fact the Free England Party have been targeted with much more vitriolic attacks from the English Democrats, than others have directed at the latter, both on this forum and the cosg.

Other users of this forum who are not English Democrats (wherther UKIP, non-aligned and from other parties) have treated us as seeking to do the best for Engalnd as we see it.

So here's a question for you, Fred, why have senior NC English Democrats (Steve Uncles, Ed Abrams in particular) turned such venom on the Free England Party?

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 01-05-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Yes that was what I gathered. I knew they were independent or mostly independent but I don't see the real difference between one of these and a county council? It doesn't seem to make Cornwall any more autonomous.

It doesn't unless they actually get these oft-mentioned extra powers.

kernow · 01-05-2008, 02:09 PM

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Actually there seems to be a lot more going on then just the Stannary parliament movement and MK. There is the celtic league and sports which I have discovered, the language movement and a plethora of websites and chat forums which seem to be very anti-English.
It would seem it's more then just a few flag slashers and grafitti artists?

Ea of dune

When will certain people realise Cornwall is not a "Country" It is an English speaking county of England. A noisy minority are trying to revive a language last spoken over 200 years ago,which means no living person as ever heard it spoken. if todays Cornish speakers could be transported 200 years back in time,I'd guarrentee nobody would understand their speach.

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BonnieDundee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 827	In my experience Cornish feeling and wishes for autonomy are certainly very popular in Cornwall. More than half consider themselves Cornish over English. It is simply that like Scotland and its independence it is not an immediate priority for most people who have much more important things in their lives. Personally I want much greater autonomy and I want Cornwall to be treated as a seperate nation like Wales or Scotland but I don't want to break up the union. __________________ "In my opinion, the least bad tax is the property tax on the unimproved value of land, the Henry George argument..." Milton Friedman People do not argue with the teachings of Henry George they simply do not know it.... He who becomes acquainted with it cannot but agree. Count Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910) Leopold Kohr.

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