Britannist

Every time I have brought up the subject of the security of England if one part of the UK mainland quit the Union of the UK (i.e. if Scotland and/ or Wales left the UK but remained in the EU and let EU troops open bases on their land close to the border with England) some supporters on this forum who want to break up the UK seem to get quite worked up.

The EU is becoming a military Superstate and it could (if Scotland and/or Wales left the UK but stayed in the EU) result in european continental troops being based on the island of Great Britain for the first time since 1066.

London Mayoral Election 2008 candidates: Richard Barnbrook - British National Party, Gerard Batten - UK Independence Party, Siân Berry - Green Party, Alan Craig - Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party , Lindsey German - Left List, Boris Johnson - Conservative Party, Ken Livingstone - The Labour Party, Winston McKenzie - Independent, Matt O'Connor - English Democrats, Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.

Full details of the London Mayoral and Assembly candidates for the 1.5.2008 London Elections at:

London Elects - The candidates

and in posting number three at:

UKIP Gerard Batten London mayor Election Broadcast

cassie

One of the reasons why the British Government retained a foothold on Ireland was Security. One has only to consider the vast preparations made (and needed) to establish a tenable bridgehead in France in 1944 to realise the value of being ceded one freely.

It could be argued that both Ireland and Great Britain being EU members made the Belfast Agreement possible, well oiled by the St Andrews Agreement funding package. Future developments in Northern Ireland may yet reveal the extent of Blair's treachery to England, and Great Britain!


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Britannist

Labour is anti-English and anti-Ulster folk (i.e anti-Northern Irish Protestant).

It is in England and Northern Ireland in which Labour (Lie-bour) get their lowest vote shares (pro-rata) within the Union of the UK.

thefalloftheunion

This is a confidential chronology of emails leaked to me from someone within F4J. As of yesterday, even though he has quit, according to the Sun newspaper he was on 6% - the same as UKIP. Pass this on if you want to because it shows the EngDems to be the pile of ***** they always have been and O'Connor was a fool to be taken in by them.

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From: Matthew O'Connor <matt@fathers-4-justice.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:30:51 +0100
To: "RobinTilbrook@aol.com" <RobinTilbrook@aol.com>, Steven Uncles <StevenUncles@diamond-assoc.co.uk>, Christine Constable <christineconstable@btinternet.com>
Conversation: Interview at Sky TV 15th April 2008
Subject: Re: Interview at Sky TV 15th April 2008

This demonstrates how woeful the pr procedure is.

You lot are a ******* shambles and couldn't run a bath let alone a party. If we don't sort this out I WILL quit - I have said now so many times to try and shake you guys into action. This simply can't carry on. We are a laughing stock and never in all my years working for top clients have I ever seen anything more amateur. It's like working for the Beverly Hill Billy's.


Matt

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From: Matthew O'Connor <matt@fathers-4-justice.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:18:07 +0100
To: <RobinTilbrook@aol.com>
Cc: stevenuncles <StevenUncles@vodafone.net>
Conversation: Election Broadcast Problems
Subject: Re: Election Broadcast Problems

Well there have been a long list and it ain’t bald – it’s hairier than King Kong’s scrotum...

No party machine in London promised...
Not the advertising budget promised...
Economical with the facts about whether we’d be funded by backers etc etc etc etc...
The list goes on and on

Dear God Robin I am losing the will to live dealing with this!

You have failed to answer my points or accept or apologise for any misunderstanding nor have you ONCE addressed a single issue I have raised with the party except with obfuscation.

This morning the list of **** ups piled upon **** ups turned into the fact I have missed 2 vital hustings meeting we could have scored points at (no response from you about this – requests went into HQ but nothing came back to me) and our wonderful Go Response for dealing with PR is still as ridiculous as ever.

Instead of supporting your candidate, you are merely draining him of enthusiasm and commitment.

Matt


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From: Matthew O'Connor <matt@fathers-4-justice.org>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:51:11 +0100
To: "RobinTilbrook@aol.com" <RobinTilbrook@aol.com>, stevenuncles <StevenUncles@vodafone.net>
Conversation: **** Ups
Subject: **** Ups


Dear Robin and Steve,

I am very disappointed about the direction of this campaign. I have done what I can to lead you guys in the right direction but you seem hell bent on undermining every single thing I do and ******* up your own campaign and my reputation in the process.

But again, nobody ever listens to my advice. I mean what happened to the telesales fundraising drive?

In fact what we should all be ******* worried about is the bloody shambolicks that is St George’s Day. The one golden opportunity we have to make a real splash and it is a bloody mess. Zero co-ordination, zero planning, zero ideas. A horse here, a taxi there, a catering college somewhere, another bash somewhere else and Mr Bushell at the Circus.

When we first met I said that I didn’t think you had everything in place and then we discovered the party in London didn’t exist, the money didn’t exist and the machine didn’t exist but I thought you might, just might take my advice.

This party has zero chance of attracting people at the moment and I think that without the funding I said was necessary from the start so we could run the campaign I initially set out, then we will get hammered.

It was self-evident at the hustings the other night that the other parties are streets ahead of us in terms of the machines they are running.

Sad to say but deny it as much as you want, this is the harsh reality of where we are.


Matt

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From: Matthew O'Connor <matt@fathers-4-justice.org>
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:38:26 +0100
To: "RobinTilbrook@aol.com" <RobinTilbrook@aol.com>, stevenuncles <StevenUncles@vodafone.net>
Conversation: Electoral Castration
Subject: Electoral Castration

Guys,

Talk about PC guff. I have now been accused by Christine of racist (voteenglish), anti-Semitic (I’m not Jewish or Muslim) and now Supernanny wants to check all the press releases! Is she going to be left to carry on doing this?

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From: Matthew O'Connor <matt@fathers-4-justice.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:33:33 +0100
To: "RobinTilbrook@aol.com" <RobinTilbrook@aol.com>
Conversation: Urgent Ref Mayoral Campaign
Subject: Urgent Ref Mayoral Campaign


Hi Robin,

I had hoped to avoid writing this email but I am afraid things really have come to a head. Having offered to stand down in January, I really feel that this yet become an option.

In my opinion, based on the evidence below, the party is beset with incompetency and mismanagement.

As you know I am far from perfect, but frankly the party’s standards fall way beneath the minimum expected of a small local organisation or charity, let alone a national party. On the current performance it is not fit for purpose.

The party is in denial and unless it takes urgent, remedial steps not only will this election be an unmitigated disaster, but the party will forever remain in the backwaters of politics. That isn’t a place I want to be.

Can you call me to discuss – I have addressed this to you and nobody else so we can have a cordial chat about the situation.

Regards


Matt

THE LITANY OF PROBLEMS

1) Having been told by Steve to sort out the event on St George’s Day, I rang Roger and was told that far from being held in the Jerusalem Chamber as you had told me, it transpired that nobody knew where it was being held within Westminster Hall and that there were several rooms but that Roger would meet the Chef on Wednesday and find out then.

2) No London infrastructure.

3) No email Database for London members – I have been setting this up

4) No on-line London forum for members to communicate (as far as I am aware)

5) No press database to speak of with email addresses – this need setting up.

6) No single decision maker ref approval on design and budgets – get three heads with three different opinions - result, work doesn’t happen, deadlines will be missed, operation too slow to respond and move forward.

7) Despite putting time and effort into costing two campaigns – still no approval.

8) No approval on ads, leaflet and now slogan ‘Vote English’ which is now deemed racist. I presume the racist word is ‘vote’ because ‘English’ was the party’s name last time I checked, unless we ask them to ‘Vote Scottish’ instead.

9) No single press officer – enquiries can be passed from person to person – bad protocol, damages credibility. (No mention on GMTV or ITV Tonight).

10) I have cancelled all planned launch dates until this is resolved. Given the dissatisfaction with my efforts, I will focus on my duties as a candidate and leave the other matters such as design, marketing and strategy to the party.

11) Not ONE signature secured of the 330 required in the 33 London Boroughs over a month ago suggests this campaign has been woefully planned.

12) Serious discontentment within the ranks.

13) Serious short fall in funds – last weekend I had to press Steve whether the ‘promised’ funds from Frank Roseman had in fact arrived and after being called a ‘prat’ he accepted they hadn’t. He then called me to say that the party had taken out a financial facility to cover this.

14) We are still though faced with a woeful and inadequate marketing budget of pretty much zero. For example after informing Christine that I could produce a 60 second viral marketing video for £2,500, she said that I needed to produce the viral, a 5 minute party political broadcast AND a radio broadcast for £3000. This is cuckooland stuff – only yesterday I was told that the radio broadcast would be £2500-£5000 alone.

15) Ref the radio broadcast I rang to speak to Jonathan to discuss the project only to be told that he had a ‘script’ (his words not mine) that had not been sent to me! Not exactly helpful and made me look, not for the first time pretty stupid.

16) Mayoral Fundraiser requires detailed finalising urgently – done. Sorted water and wine for event as we would only have had champagne. Put forward suggestion of Churchill lookalike. Again, no feedback.

17) The end result was that none of the senior Eng Dem people were meeting and greeting on the door, the running order was wrong as I should have been on before the auction (so that people could hear what they were paying for), there were not enough donors to make it viable in the first place and the heckling during the auction was profoundly embarrassing for everybody; I was only grateful none of my clients were in attendance.

18) I had blamed Roger for booking the ‘set of Crossroads’ and nobody corrected me to say that in fact, the Hall at Eton College was the original location but we couldn’t afford it. Why wasn’t I told this?

19) The Newspaper is a generic ‘Eng Dems’ Newspaper and not a Mayoral Newspaper which doesn’t exactly help push our campaign.

20) No pre set terms of engagement for me which would have avoided any embarrassments i.e. The party committing to xyz and vice versa.

21) Ref web site problems where Christine refused to pay bill and then asked me to sign over my intellectual property were only resolved thanks to Steve’s intervention.

22) Never had one phone call from Christine to discuss matters in general. I am always expected to call her.

mkpdavies

Sounds to me that Matt had way too high expectations of a very small party. Especially a small party that had just lost some of its key London activists.

Now where have I heard that kind of tale of woe from before?

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cassie

Yes, but that only accounts for some 85% of all voters!


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Small detail I know, but may I point out that we are only getting one side of the story from 'thefalloftheunion'?

Presumably, those who think so little of O'Connor will weight his musings accordingly, or is that too much to expect? Despite what one thinks of the EDP, one can't really use these emails to support condemnation of that party. Either O'Connor is credible or he isn't. The consistent, logical, honourable approach is to use other evidence to assess or criticise the party.

What we have been fed thus far, is self-justification for O'Connor. Who knows whether the "someone within F4J" who allegedly leaked these emails is not really Matthew O'Connor? Why remain anonymous? What kind of deceitful conduct is that? Who is the cowardly jackal here? We see too much of this type of conduct which, in a so called democracy, is undesirable and dubious to say the least!

Those who are eager to condemn for its own sake will seize on this kind of sordid claim with relish!



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mkpdavies

Matt O'Connor had to have leaked them out in the first place.

Unless this is a dark ops effort by the EDP and they infact leaked the emails, pretending to be an anonymous F4J member.

Nothing would surprise me any more.

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Richard the Lionheart

Cassie, there may be a grain of truth in what has been stated. You know yourself that Christine likes to vet other people's work. Our county press officer also had problems with her over the English Voice magazine. Christine appeared to want to keep it all to herself. In addition, I can also say how difficult it was to work with the central organisation when we tried to open a branch account.

I accept the emails might well have been heavily edited, but knowing the some of the characters as I do, I would not be surprised if there some element of truth in this.

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Alex McKee

This is sad. I don't like to see political parties in such turmoil. A lot of people have invested time and effort into the EDP. I do not support them personally because I am a unionist but I do believe that England is being treated very badly by the British Government.

It's a bad setback for the English movement, a movement which does have some value by bringing a dangerous constitutional imbalance to light.

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