Time Has Come To Give England Her Own Parliament

Northumbrian · 29-04-2008, 12:06 AM

I don't think we're ready yet to hit a newspaper headline, though...

Westcountryman · 29-04-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

I know, it's a terribly un-English thing to ask for.

Some of us English people don't want it. Please forgive us simple English folk who would like England to remain in the United Kingdom. Perhaps you'll find it in you to also let us have a say in England's future.

Ea of Dune · 29-04-2008, 01:10 AM

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Please forgive us simple English folk who would like England to remain in the United Kingdom

Interesting coming from somebody who has the Cornish flag as their avatar and has "Cornwall will rise" or something similar in the re-invented Cornish language currently being funded by the EU

Ea of dune

Westcountryman · 29-04-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ea of Dune

Interesting coming from somebody who has the Cornish flag as their avatar

Other English counties have their own flags.

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Originally Posted by Ea of Dune

and has "Cornwall will rise" or something similar in the re-invented Cornish language currently being funded by the EU

Is it? I had no idea. Either way I don't speak the language - I just like the motto.

I'm 100% English and anti-EU. I am not a Cornish nationalist nor a separatist.

Richard the Lionheart · 29-04-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Some of us English people don't want it. Please forgive us simple English folk who would like England to remain in the United Kingdom. Perhaps you'll find it in you to also let us have a say in England's future.

That's why we support a referendum on England's future, to let people decide what they want.

Richard the Lionheart · 29-04-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

In reply to Richard The Lionheart's posting number three to this thread:

Although we differ on whether England should be in the UK (you want our country out of the UK and I do not) we both want England to have her own Parliament. We share that objective.

We both want the voice of England to be heard and not suppressed by this Labour shower in power who are the most anti-English British Government ever.

We are agreed that England should have her own parliament, in what form it takes should be left for people to decide in a referendum.

cassie · 29-04-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

That's why we support a referendum on England's future, to let people decide what they want.

To be more precise: you want a referendum on whether England should separate from the rest of the UK!

Fair enough, but you must accept that others have a different approach to the matter of England's constitutional situation. Others believe that there is much greater support solely for a separate English Parliament and that associating the campaign for that with separation will impair the prospects for an English Parliament by increasing opposition which would otherwise not be there. You do not agree - fair enough. You did not remain with the EDP but joined the FEP - again fair enough.

Even so, whenever anyone dares to express the view that a separate English Parliament could be created within the framework of the UK, up you pop to press the dissolution point without ever seeming to accept that there really are other valid positions!

Reminds me of all those clerics who keep on asserting what God is or is not as though they are proven facts instead of what they actually are: beliefs!

To my mind, it IS possible to discuss the creation of a separate English Parliament leaving open the matter of whether it could be within or without the framework of the UK.

The insistence upon an English Parliament being solely in a separated England detracts from any discussion of the forms such a parliament might take, whether as part of the UK or separate. Consequently, we NEVER reach the point where consideration would be given to whether new forms of election or composition should be adopted. After all, the model used for the British Parliament is pretty ancient now, and we have examples of different features having been introduced in Scotland and Wales. Are 'top-up lists' or AV to be considered or rejected out of hand. Will Divisions be retained?

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Northumbrian · 29-04-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

The insistence upon an English Parliament being solely in a separated England detracts from any discussion of the forms such a parliament might take, whether as part of the UK or separate. Consequently, we NEVER reach the point where consideration would be given to whether new forms of election or composition should be adopted.

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That's not strictly true. If the government offered an English Parliament tomorrow I would take it.

You'll also find as well people in the FEP know exactly how the English Parliament outside the UK will work. It is 529 MPs in the House of Commons with the same powers as the current British government.

In 9 years of existence, neither the CEP or the EDP have been able to provide a detailed proposition of how this sub-national English Parliament will work. If you think about it, that's pretty embarrassing. You go up to a minister and ask him for an English Parliament in a federal UK. He will then say 'do you have a detailed proposal on this?'
For you to then reply 'no, I'll leave it up to you...'

Amateurish!

cassie · 29-04-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

That's not strictly true. If the government offered an English Parliament tomorrow I would take it.

You'll also find as well people in the FEP know exactly how the English Parliament outside the UK will work. It is 529 MPs in the House of Commons with the same powers as the current British government.

In 9 years of existence, neither the CEP or the EDP have been able to provide a detailed proposition of how this sub-national English Parliament will work. If you think about it, that's pretty embarrassing. You go up to a minister and ask him for an English Parliament in a federal UK. He will then say 'do you have a detailed proposal on this?'
For you to then reply 'no, I'll leave it up to you...'

Amateurish!

Which minister is this then?

While you're about it, point us to all the discussions of the forms that a parliament might take.

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Ea of Dune · 29-04-2008, 09:28 PM

Eurosceptic> It would seem though that Cornwall certainly has an active following in the seperatist movement.
How do you stand on the substitution of the county council for a stannary parliament?

Ea of dune

29-04-2008, 12:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,422 Party: Free England Party	I don't think we're ready yet to hit a newspaper headline, though... Last edited by Northumbrian; 29-04-2008 at 12:07 AM. Reason: grammer

29-04-2008, 09:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,049	Cornwall Eurosceptic> It would seem though that Cornwall certainly has an active following in the seperatist movement. How do you stand on the substitution of the county council for a stannary parliament? Ea of dune

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