Mr. Andrew Constantine writes on blog: "Nationalism not a dirty word in England"

Britannist · 26-04-2008, 08:56 AM

Leading former English Democrat party member Mr. Andrew Constantine - founder of the Free England Party (FEP) which is contesting the 2008 London Mayoral election next week (Mr. Constantine is the candidate for the FEP) - has been writing a blog on the Daily Telegraph website:

Nationalism - it's not a dirty word in England : March 2008 : Andrew Constantine Free England Party : My Telegraph

London Mayoral Election 2008 candidates: Richard Barnbrook - British National Party, Gerard Batten - UK Independence Party, Siân Berry - Green Party, Alan Craig - Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party , Lindsey German - Left List, Boris Johnson - Conservative Party, Ken Livingstone - The Labour Party, Winston McKenzie - Independent, Matt O'Connor - English Democrats, Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.

Full details of the London Mayoral and Assembly candidates for the 1.5.2008 London Elections at:

London Elects - The candidates

and in posting number three at:

UKIP Gerard Batten London mayor Election Broadcast

BonnieDundee · 26-04-2008, 09:03 AM

I think it depends on the form the nationalism takes, alot of nationalism is simply mindless collectivism; the worship of an abstraction which benefits the state by making people more docile.

mkpdavies · 26-04-2008, 09:30 AM

EU nationalism for example.

cassie · 26-04-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

EU nationalism for example.

'Eu nationalism' is an oxymoron.

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cassie · 26-04-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I think it depends on the form the nationalism takes, a lot of nationalism is simply mindless collectivism; the worship of an abstraction which benefits the state by making people more docile.

Do you have Scottish nationalism in mind per chance?

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BonnieDundee · 26-04-2008, 10:06 AM

Yes certainly and English nationalism that some here seem to peddle. I think all of it is too jingoistic and collectivist and is about creating vague, but certainly intense, sentiments for abstractions. I can understand warm feelings for your country but I think feelings for local community and region should be vastly more important as they are tangible and comprehensible to the individual. But the feelings demanded by jingoistic patriotism for such large social units as nations like England or Scotland(let alone Australia or America.) I can't really understand or believe are natural. To me it is just the continued march of collectivism in our mass society. EU nationalism will be next.

cassie · 26-04-2008, 10:38 AM

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National feelings and those of a more localised nature you refer to are not mutually exclusive! It seems to me that you are using the latter to oppose the former.

To me, the question arises as to why you, a Scot, are promoting that view here about English nationalism? Do you really think it is fitting for you to do so?

Another question arises: why are you not promoting your anti-nationalism on Scottish nationalist websites?

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26-04-2008, 08:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Mr. Andrew Constantine writes on blog: "Nationalism not a dirty word in England" Leading former English Democrat party member Mr. Andrew Constantine - founder of the Free England Party (FEP) which is contesting the 2008 London Mayoral election next week (Mr. Constantine is the candidate for the FEP) - has been writing a blog on the Daily Telegraph website: Nationalism - it's not a dirty word in England : March 2008 : Andrew Constantine Free England Party : My Telegraph London Mayoral Election 2008 candidates: Richard Barnbrook - British National Party, Gerard Batten - UK Independence Party, Siân Berry - Green Party, Alan Craig - Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party , Lindsey German - Left List, Boris Johnson - Conservative Party, Ken Livingstone - The Labour Party, Winston McKenzie - Independent, Matt O'Connor - English Democrats, Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats. Full details of the London Mayoral and Assembly candidates for the 1.5.2008 London Elections at: London Elects - The candidates and in posting number three at: UKIP Gerard Batten London mayor Election Broadcast Last edited by Britannist; 26-04-2008 at 08:59 AM.

26-04-2008, 09:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	I think it depends on the form the nationalism takes, alot of nationalism is simply mindless collectivism; the worship of an abstraction which benefits the state by making people more docile. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

26-04-2008, 09:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,832 Party: Libertarian Party	EU nationalism for example. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

26-04-2008, 10:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	Yes certainly and English nationalism that some here seem to peddle. I think all of it is too jingoistic and collectivist and is about creating vague, but certainly intense, sentiments for abstractions. I can understand warm feelings for your country but I think feelings for local community and region should be vastly more important as they are tangible and comprehensible to the individual. But the feelings demanded by jingoistic patriotism for such large social units as nations like England or Scotland(let alone Australia or America.) I can't really understand or believe are natural. To me it is just the continued march of collectivism in our mass society. EU nationalism will be next. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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26-04-2008, 10:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,852	- National feelings and those of a more localised nature you refer to are not mutually exclusive! It seems to me that you are using the latter to oppose the former. To me, the question arises as to why you, a Scot, are promoting that view here about English nationalism? Do you really think it is fitting for you to do so? Another question arises: why are you not promoting your anti-nationalism on Scottish nationalist websites? -