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Old 28-04-2008, 10:27 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I wouldn't exactly say Paine was of the same stripe, Paine was a complex character.
Why not? He was one of the earliest advocates of public education and the minimum wage. So just like Locke and Mill, although having some good, there is still some bad (such as Mill on socialism and Locke on slavery).

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You should read some Lao Tzu (if you have not already). He says things which chime perfectly with libertarianism.
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Why not? He was one of the earliest advocates of public education and the minimum wage. So just like Locke and Mill, although having some good, there is still some bad (such as Mill on socialism and Locke on slavery).



You should read some Lao Tzu (if you have not already). He says things which chime perfectly with libertarianism.

How 'heroic' are they?


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......he (Sir Winston Churchill) decided to keep on fighting when many others would have surrendered or not bothered......
And he dumped the Liberal (now the Liberal 'Democrat') Party.

A wise decision.
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And he dumped the Liberal (now the Liberal 'Democrat') Party.

A wise decision.
Well, nobody can accuse him of being stupid.
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Sir Winston Churchill did the right thing in ditching that party.

That the Liberals (now the europhile Liberal 'Democrats') lost such someone who went on to be such a great national hero and historical figure known around the world speaks for itself.

The Liberal 'Democrats' are a pathetic shower of EU puppets.
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I have and, whatever else they may be, heroic aint one of 'em!


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I heard an very insulting song about Churchill and the British the other day in Australia on the radio, I was quite taken aback. It was quite an old-song and I thought they'd never play a song like that about say Asians (which here seems to mean Chinese, Japanese etc.).
There are some Australians who blame Churchill for the British Army's failure to execute the landing on the Gallipoli peninsula in 1915 efficiently AND the failure to defend Singapore in 1942.

If it helps 'em feel better . . . .




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There are some Australians who blame Churchill for the British Army's failure to execute the landing on the Gallipoli peninsula in 1915 efficiently AND the failure to defend Singapore in 1942.

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Churchill did threaten to shoot anyone who surrendered in Singapore.
Pitty he didnt or couldnt carry out the threat.
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I already said they couldn't be counted as heros.

At least not in the standard definition of the term. Although I do think Locke has as much right as being counted a hero as Churchill does.
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